I understand that you are all looking for the next star that you can cheer for with no hesitation, but the bottom line is he is not a top 5 player in the league by most metrics. The best player in the league should win the MVP each year unless his team is not in the playoffs. This means the best player on average both ends of the floor over the entire 48mins of a game. I expect more from MVP winners (Nash should have none because of no defense, Dirk's was questionable, no MVPs for inefficient midget guards like Iverson). If Rose is to win an MVP in his career, he should earn it. He should learn to get to the line, to involve his teammates more, and to play better defense. If he is truly the player you are all hyping, then he will get his in due time.
Is Rose the best play maker in the league? No way. Is he the best player in the NBA? Absolutely not. Is he a top five player? Probably not. Does he deserve to be the MVP of the NBA this season? Yes.
The Heat are 5th in offense and 5th in defense, yet they're way behind the Bulls (3 in the L column) in the standings. Their defense isn't that much worse than the Bulls, yet their offense is a ton better. On paper, they should be ahead of Chicago in W/L. But then again on paper, LBJ should be one of the all-time greats.
I really don't care who is the next star nor am I looking for the next star by stating I think Derrick Rose is the MVP. Anybody that thinks the Bulls would have the best record in the East right now without Derrick Rose is delusional. I don't care about stats and all that to know they would not be the number 1 team in the East without Rose.
you also forget chicago is #2 in rebounding, miami is #9 you also forget miami is #17 in giving up offensive rebounds, chicago is #6 (so chicago protects their boards) but rebounding differential, chicago is #1 at a whopping 5.5 per game. the 2nd highest team in rebounding differential is at 3.3 per game. so no, on paper, chicago's defense is WAY ahead of miami b/c rebounding is part of defense. miami gives up more offensive rebounds and they can be manhandled by the bigger teams. you know what they say: defense and rebounding win out. the bulls are the best in both of those categories. so no, on paper, the bulls should be ahead of the heat.
Pretty sure he means on paper as far as the rosters are concerned. On paper before the season did you have the Bulls in front of the Heat? I doubt it
Thats two reason why they wouldnt suck. I'm not talking about them not having Rose for a period of a time I'm talking about not having him at all. Rose make the Bulls a lot better, they would be lost without him on O. Hes their best scorer by far without him it would be hard for them to put the ball in the basket. We all know they have a great defense, but you still need a guy that can carry the scoring load and Rose does that night in and night out.
that's a very misinformed and terrible comparison. if you do some research on the bucks' players and bulls' players and their careers, you would know what i am talking about.
i'll give you more statistics. 1) boozer has once scored 21ppg on 56% shooting. he's putting up 18 on 52% shooting this year. i'm sure if u give the guy more shots, he can score vs the east pretty easily. 2) deng has averaged pretty much 16-17ppg for most of his career. you already have 2 legit scoring options there. and just to show how false your assumptions are: 1) this year with rose taking a huge bulk of the offense, the bulls are averaging 97.8ppg on 45.7% fg. last year, with no one even close to boozer' caliber on offense, they scored 97.5ppg on 45.7% fg so no, i'm sure the bulls can still score enough to be a top 4 seed. i'm sure the bulls without rose can stifle the knicks even more to get a higher seed than them. if rose is out for the year. i'm sure a guy like boozer can help a team play inside out and score a little bit. make no mistake, the bulls won't get a #1 seed without him b/c in close games vs the elite teams (heat/celts...), you need a guy like rose to put you over the top. but there are only a few of the "elite" teams in this L, esp in the east. without rose, they'll be a top 4 seed in the east, and make the playoffs EASILY. now you replace rose with the actual top 5 players in this L (kobe, wade, durant, howard, lebron) on that bulls squad, now that's for sure scary b/c those guys can play defense, and actually be efficient on offense.
Terrible misinformed and terrible comparison. Should I really listen to you when you say John Wall will easily be a better player than Derrick Rose. Talk about terrible.
Why are people still responding tmac_1? The kid never liked Rose since he came into the league and is a Lebron only fan. He needs some closure to help him get over the fact that Rose will win MVP and not his beloved James. Off course when you have no other argument against Rose, he uses STATS. Here's the kicker guys. He used to proclaimed t-mac as the best player in league before Lebron joined the Heat and all together decided to jump on their bandwagon. The funny thing is, he doesn't give much credit to Wade or Bosh even though those 3 player are the big reason the Heat are 3rd in the east. Yet he goes around saying Rose had more talent. WTF are you talking about? Talk about credential, don't waste your time and snoop down to his level. The real MVP is howard followed by Rose with a slight margin. End of story.
Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree because theres no way in hell I think they would be a top 4 seed without Rose. But I would like to ask you a question what do you think the Heat record would be without Lebron?
Bulls currently rank 27/30 in strength of schedule. That along with all the stats that prove his inefficiency I am also confused why he seems to be the clear cut choice for so many people as mvp. He no doubt is an amazing player, but his coach, supporting cast and cakewalk division have just as much to do with their record as he does.
Are you trying to argue that superstars like LBJ and Wade are overrated and not worth paying the max too? That's sure what it seems like. Miami must not be getting good bang for their buck with their 3 max players, if a team like Chicago can win more games than them. But then again that's only stating the obvious.
If there was ever a case for ignoring your posts, this is it. I guess I just keep responding for the comedic value.
With regards to the MVP discussion, I think it's kind of silly and ultimately pointless to speculate how good or bad the Bulls would be if you removed their best player. Not sure anyone would argue that Rose isn't the Bulls' team MVP. But if we were to twist it a little bit, maybe we could find a better argument. I present to you this scenario: Dwyane Wade and Derrick Rose switch teams. Which team, in your guys' opinion, gets better? That said, at the end of the day I don't really care about who wins MVP, my original purpose was just to talk about where Rose stands among other PGs. Ultimately, looking at this further, I just don't know if he's an efficient enough scorer to make up for the gap in playmaking skills compared to Paul, Williams or Nash, such that I could call him the best at the position. That said, he's certainly very valuable on a team like the Bulls that needs a scoring punch (more valuable than the current incarnation of Paul would be, in all likelihood). But would that value translate onto a different team, like the Rockets (or as in the scenario above, the Heat)? I originally framed the discussion by putting both players on teams with equal talent, but what my argument ultimately boils down to is that more teams would benefit from having a player like Paul.
I actually like DWade but without a doubt, the Heat would get better. Lebron was stupid for signing with Miami. Imagine what he could be doing in Chicago right now.
