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[Budget]GOP house members' proposed cuts

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by B-Bob, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. mc mark

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  2. Pushkin

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    I don't think there can be any dispute that reducing federal spending will negatively affect employment in the near future. However, we are in a situation where we need to reduce spending to protect our situation in the long-term. We cannot continue to kick the can down the street. Unfortunately, that is all we are doing as long as we do not discuss cutting defense spending, modifying the tax code, and reforming medicare, medicaid, and social security.
     
  3. ChievousFTFace

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    Not to mention adjusting the tax rates for the top 0.1%
     
  4. mc mark

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    Well, at least now when Mr Boehner refers to a JOB KILLING piece of legislation, he'll have something to refer too.
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Seems stupid to me to kill the recovery when it's in such a fragile stage. I want the budget cut as well, but I think everyone wants the economy to be strong.

    The U.K. cut their budget and they are doing terribly. Germany cut a bit and they are definitely behind us.

    One would think common sense dictates waiting. I trust economists over liberals or conservatives.
     
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  6. FranchiseBlade

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    That's the truth. There is waste that could be cut, and people should be gearing up for massive cuts that will have to come, but in the early stages of a recovery just isn't the best time.
     
  7. rhadamanthus

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    Well, they're not accomplishing much of any value, but the GOP congress has gotten rid of the congressional cafeteria's green initiative. Does this count as progress?
     
  8. mc mark

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    Just saw this

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  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Landfills rejoice! Seriously, they actually spend time promoting things that are known to be environmentally destructive. Can anyone defend this? Okay, Pelosi had a good idea and you have to poop on it just because it came from Pelosi.

    It's downright embarrassing. I don't mean to the GOP, I mean to me as an American.
     
  10. rtsy

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    Democrats are morons.

    Dems: Congress's Styrofoam cups could cause cancer:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
    By Jordan Fabian - 03/08/11 12:04 PM ET

    A group of Democrats complain Styrofoam cups in the House cafeteria could contain carcinogens.

    In a letter to Speaker John Boehner (Ohio) and other Republican leaders, the nine Democrats say the Styrofoam cups and other dining materials could hold chemical components that could cause cancer. The Democrats are upset with the switch to Styrofoam from recyclable materials put into place when Democrats ran the House.

    The letter asks Boehner to reconsider the switch away from recyclable to polystyrene-based foam containers, and warns that the health of visitors to the Capitol could be compromised.

    "The irresponsibility of the decision to use polystyrene foam without considering other options is all the more egregious because the cafeteria is not merely used by House members and our staffers," the lawmakers write. "The health of constituents and visitors to the Hill who eat in the cafeteria will be impacted by this short-sighted decision."

    The change to Styrofoam caused a stir among some staffers and Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill late last month, when the recyclable material preferred by former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was replaced. Lawmakers mostly raised concerns about Styrofoam's impact on the environment.

    Republicans have downplayed the harmful health and environmental effects of Styrofoam and said that the composting program in place under Pelosi cost too much money and did not do enough to bring down energy consumption.

    But the Democratic letter cited toxicology studies that claim polystyrene contains "possible human carcinogens" and could present other health challenges, such as headaches, hearing loss, central nervous system dysfunction and difficulty sleeping.

    "Eliminating polystyrene-related health impacts will result in fewer lost work days and lower heath insurance costs for the House and its staff," the lawmakers write. "This benefit alone should outweigh any cost savings from using polystyrene containers."

    The "Dear Colleague" notice soliciting signatures from other lawmakers, which was circulated by Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), is titled "Cancer Causing Cups in the Cafeteria?"

    The other lawmakers who signed the letter are Reps. James Moran (D-Va.), George Miller (D-Calif.), Mike Honda (D-Calif.), Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas), Susan Davis (D-Calif.), Zoe Lofgren (Calif.), Mike Capuano (Mass.) and Chellie Pingree (D-Maine).

    Here is the full letter from the nine Democrats:


    Speaker John Boehner Majority Leader Eric Cantor

    1011 Longworth House Office Building 303 Cannon House Office Building

    Washington, DC 20515 Washington, DC 20515



    Chairman Dan Lungren

    House Administration Committee

    2313 Rayburn House Office Building

    Washington, DC 20515



    March 11, 2011

    Dear Speaker Boehner, Majority Leader Cantor, and Chairman Lungren:

    We are writing to express our deep concern with the current choice to use polystyrene products, commonly known as “styrofoam,”[1][1] in the House of Representatives cafeterias. While we appreciate that the CAO is working to reduce costs, there are significant health and environmental risks associated with styrofoam, as well as additional costs associated with increased waste removal. These external costs should be considered in making the decision for cafeteria products; the desire to save a few pennies should never come at the expense of jeopardizing staff, members and visitors’ health. Over 20 years ago, McDonalds and other fast food restaurants replaced polystyrene foam with recyclable and paperboard containers. More than 100 cities have also chosen to ban polystyrene foam for health and environmental reasons. Adopting the same standard is the least we can do.

    We have numerous concerns about the safety of polystyrene foam products. Polystyrene foam products can leach their component chemicals into the foods and liquids they contain. Leaching of styrene and benzene is documented with nearly 40 years of scientific evidence, as are the resulting negative health impacts.[2][2] During the manufacturing process, acute short-term exposure to styrene can result in irritation to the eyes, nose, throat, and mucous membranes as well as gastrointestinal effects.

    Over time, exposure to the styrene that leaches into food and liquids can cause extensive health effects, including fatigue, headaches, hearing loss, central nervous system dysfunction, difficulty sleeping, as well as low platelet and hemoglobin values and chromosomal abnormalities.[3][3][4][4] The International Association for Research on Cancer classified styrene as a potential human carcinogen. Eliminating polystyrene-related health impacts will result in fewer lost work days and lower heath insurance costs for the House and its staff. This benefit alone should outweigh any cost savings from using polystyrene containers.

    Polystyrene foam products continue to threaten public health and the environment after they are used and discarded. Polystyrene is not easily or cheaply recycled, and there are significant health and environmental impacts from the 25 million polystyrene foam cups that are thrown away per year. When disposed of in landfills, products made of polystyrene take over half a millennium to biodegrade. While in landfills, polystyrene chemicals can leach into groundwater, jeopardizing water quality. The safe incineration of polystyrene foam requires extremely high heat in specialized plants. Incineration at normal heat levels releases over 90 different hazardous chemicals, polluting the air quality of those communities surrounding the waste plants and burdening them with increased health risks and costs.

    Although we strongly support efforts to reduce costs in the federal government, it is our understanding that the cafeteria operations generate profits for the House – an estimated $879,000 for 2010. Any costs associated with composting or any of the other environmentally sound options were always meant to be offset by these profits. Those of us who are concerned about the health and safety of Members, staff and visitors feel that this is certainly a worthwhile use for these proceeds.

    The irresponsibility of the decision to use polystyrene foam without considering other options is all the more egregious because the cafeteria is not merely used by House members and our staffers. The health of constituents and visitors to the Hill who eat in the cafeteria will be impacted by this short-sighted decision. We urge you to bear in mind our responsibility to protect the health and welfare of the American public, now and in future generations, and to reconsider the decision to use Polystyrene foam in our cafeteria.

    Sincerely,
     
  11. SamFisher

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    Hopefully NASA takes it on the chin again, then rtsy might have somebody to play with in between trips to the unemployment office.
     
  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    For following any sort of scientific data? Got it. You're with stupid, (not to mention destructive), but democrats (and the rest of us who avoid eating off of and out of plastics since they've been shown to shrink your gonads and lead to many other nasty side effects) are "morons" in this case.

    So many conservatives I know (not fake, angry ones like yourself) always say things like "maybe I don't believe in global warming but who opposes cleaner air? let's cut down on our carbon emissions." Noble, sensible, etc.

    So here's the same sort of thing, and an entire political party just wants to play a fourth grade game of "I just reversed it! Ha!" when the "it" actually made sense. So, hurray for non-biodegradable trash that is correlated to higher incidence of cancer! Hurray! This will give us more cases of $500k medical bills for former congresspeople that the country can't pay anyway.
     
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  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    They should just move away from disposables altogether. Not only would they reduce garbage and avoid the potential health hazards of styrofoam, they would also provide jobs in the form of dishwashers.
     
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  14. Deckard

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    You may be trying to be funny, SM, with the dishwasher comment, but I agree with your post. Please tell me it wasn't entirely a joke! ;-)-
     
  15. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Actually it was entirely not a joke. I'm sure they can find people in DC who would be happy to have a job as a dishwasher.
     
  16. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Totally agree. I actually dislike the crap made from old potatoes or whatever, but just using things you can reuse makes the most sense, and cents really.
     
  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    but what about to go plates?
     
  18. bingsha10

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    economists are all educated to perpetuate the banking cartel.

    I'd trust sincere republicans or democrats over them any day.
     

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