I'm not outraged and I'm not black. THEORY BUSTED. These comments were made by a teen 20 years ago. Though ill-informed, Rose's insults convey both his authentic prejudices held at the time as well as his youthful lack of life experience. It's obvious he felt the comment offered a window into the mindset of the Fab Five at the time in question. Clearly he feels differently now, and he apologized to Hill. What's to be outraged by? Also, let's be clear: Grant Hill attended Duke because of its amazing basketball program, not because of its academics. It's Hill's decision to join the school's basketball team that Rose was criticizing, not Hill's decision to pursue a Duke education.
Turn it inwards on me, if I attempt to point this out, I'm the one stereotyping all of the sudden? If you have a death wish for example and then you die, and somebody comes along and says, wow isn't it ironic that he actually died. The point is that Jalen's ignorant assessment fostered and made room for the stereotype to occur, and not my defining of it. If he had been more judicious and careful with his own words then there would be no need to define it as such and thus the so called stereotyping would not have occurred in the first place. But the main point is that Grant Hill alone had to defend himself because none of the black leaders would have said a word, after all they wouldn't want to be called uncle toms themselves now would they?
dude, you're stereotyping whole communites there have already been two black columnists who criticized the comments, one in this thread I know. other than that, i'm sure black leaders have larger concerns than what rose had to say about hill 20 years ago in a bball documentary
Or maybe it is that you just have yet to fully grasp the implication of what's being said. So what your telling me that you condone jalen undermining grant hill's identity as authentically black by the most incendiary of ways, by saying that he, grant hill, devalued his black heritage so much he was willing to give it up to help whitey, duke, achieve their goals? That's what you are saying? Because that's what Jalen said.
You know I just heard Chris Broussard scathing comments about the situation and I have to applaud him. He barely stopped short of condemning Jalen Rose, but did condemn the 18 year old Rose. So, maybe there will be some backlash on Rose, but many things I'm hearding is that this is a necessary conversation blah blah blah, befre they become mr. judicious trying to see Jalen's side of the argument. Broussard said flat out that Jalen was wrong. Great Job sir.
The elephant in the room is that none of the Fab Five represented some sort of new black consciousness. Duke is lily white and the University of F-ing Michigan at Ann Arbor is not? Rose and the other players on his team were all about themselves, were hyped beyond belief and shat the bed when it counted. The Georgetown Hoyas lived what the Fab Five promised and did not deliver. Fight the power, indeed.
Ok I saw the whole documentary. What the hell is the big uproar about? Ok he called them uncle toms, poor use of words, we've all done it before. But if you actually watched it, he goes on to talk about his hatred in detail. And he's going off what he felt as a teenager. Other than the uncle Tom jab, I don't see anything wrong with what he said. He as being very real. Say what you want, but thats how a lot of people feel, not just blacks but whites as well, till this day. I can't even remember how many times I've heard a non black person say that this black guy is not "black enough" or that he's a House N***** because of the way he carries himself. It's not the right thing to say, even down right ignorant but we all know what he meant when he said that uncle Tom comment. Jalen Rose is not the only one who felt that way. But let's look at the other side. When a white kid is into the urban hip hop culture, he's automatically a "wigger". That's just as wrong as calling blacks uncle toms. But the difference is that people seem to accept the term "wigger" when it's just as racist and ignorant as calling a black guy, "uncle tom".
i think the bottom line is Hill, his family, and duke felt offended by his comments. Just because they were "old" comments doesn't mean they still can't stir up feelings now. It's like a guy talking about how he made racist comments as a teen and being explicit in how he explains it now. We're not Hill, most of us didn't attend duke or grew up like he did. The guy has never been about drama or over reacting, so if he felt the need to respond and Jalen felt the need to apologize early, then i have to say there was definitely something wrong about it and both sides know it.
I don't think anyone really accepts either of those terms. They're* both pretty atrocious. * accepting rep for proper use of they're, there, their.
if hill felt offended by comments about him as a teenager by another teenager, he needs to grow up I can understand hill's reaction but I don't think your reasoning is a legitimate one
How can you understand hill's reaction and not think my reasoning is legitimate? Hill's reaction was due to him thinking the comments were offensive (and bad for today's youth). Go up to any person and literally tell them how you thought they were a b****, a sell out, their good friend is a pssy, etc. I doubt they'll brush it off without giving you a Chuck Hayes death stare. Involve their family, alma mater, and general public and you'll definitely get more than a stare. Using past tense doesn't hide the words you're using. Rose decided to risk offending people to portray a certain feel during the interview and he knew it.
I think people get that vibe from waht they see on TV because in the real hood its far from like that.
