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**The Official Shane Battier as a Member of the Memphis Grizzlies...Again Thread**

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Kwame, Feb 25, 2011.

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  1. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    shots fired.
     
    #161 Joshfast, Mar 9, 2011
  2. francis 4 prez

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    oh no, he didn't play as well as zach randolph? who would ever expect that. and tony allen outplayed him in a game? impossible unless battier is terrible.



    yes, and you are a paragon of rational, impartial and well-reasoned discourse on the subject of battier. case in point this thread in the NBA Dish (this one, the one we're in, there's no link) where you are now demanding negative posts about battier from others to satisfy your hate-lust.

    and if i added it up right, since the trade:

    battier +60 (one -3 game, all positive, most by at least 10, rest of the time)
    tony allen -37 (a +15 in one game, mostly double digit negative in the rest)
     
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  3. YaoZow

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    Ever since the trade, the Grizzlies are looking pretty legit.

    If you think about it, that's a pretty good team now.
     
    #163 YaoZow, Mar 9, 2011
  4. v3.0

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    You're not impressed on how impressed he is with himself? :grin:
     
    #164 v3.0, Mar 9, 2011
  5. Kwame

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    Say what you want, but at least I'm not a racist, bigot, and Islamophobe.

    Sure, but his supporters have never shown a middle ground. I have given credit where credit is due, but they never criticize him. They're extremists.

    We all know the elementary +/- stats are not an accurate reflection of what goes on. Jared Jeffries just had a +28 or something. I would suggest you watch the games instead.
     
    #165 Kwame, Mar 9, 2011
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    #166 AroundTheWorld, Mar 9, 2011
  7. larsv8

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    Why does it bother you so much? He isn't even a Rocket anymore.
     
    #167 larsv8, Mar 9, 2011
  8. Kwame

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    This thread is about Battier playing for the Grizzlies. There's nothing wrong with analyzing his play for Memphis in this thread. You have moderated your stance it seems, but I don't think I've ever read a critical comment about Battier from you, ever. The same goes for RV6 and many others who are attacking me instead of sticking to the thread of topic here. I would love for you or RV6 to prove me wrong about that assertion. If you could point me to anything remotely critical that you have said about Battier, I would appreciate it. Same goes for you RV6...Instead of blabering on and on, just provide me with some evidence that reflects your supposed moderate tone.

    Edit: Why would you ask if there was a middle ground and then respond with this above post? It doesn't make sense. It obviously mattered enough for you ask the question in the first place.
     
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  9. RV6

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    Excuse me for being supportive of my favorite team and it's players and choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt instead of trying to ridicule them. If you weren't so narrow minded when it comes to our players you'd realize i treat all the other rockets with the same approach. Where where you when I defended Brooks? Scola? Hill? Miller? Lowry? I've even defended Williams at some point. I'm not going to hate on them because they don't fit their role or aren't the player we need or want them to be. If they're going out there and playing like they give a damn, then why should I attack them?

    Kwame: "Battier is done, useless, and looks like a fool out there. We need a another small forward who can score and defend better"

    Me: If the transaction improves the team, we need another small forward who can score and defend better"

    See the difference? My priority isn't calling guys out or poking fun at them, it's hoping the team improves. I'm not sure what your issue with Battier is, but it's been clear for quite a while that it's personal. Again, this is my favorite team and i'll be a fan forever and under any situation. The way i see it, a team like that should be nurtured as if it was your kid. If your kid has certain shortcomings you don't put them on blast continously and talk to them in a way that won't influence development/improvement. If you do, then you're not a very good parent, or fan in this case. Might as well be talking about the Jazz.
     
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  10. larsv8

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    Heres some criticism:

    1.) Battiers inability to consistently hit threes from anywhere other than the corner hurt the team.
    2.) Battiers inability to dribble was hard to watch and killed opportunities for easy buckets when defenders overplayed elsewhere.
    3.) Battier should of been able to hit his FTs at a higher clip.
    4.) Battiers lack of athleticism and quickness cost us alot of rebounds.
    5.) Although we were in a lot of playoff games, the Battier era did not produce alot of series wins. Perhaps not his fault but certainly a characteristic of his era.
    6.) Although Battier was consistently good, he apparently didnt have another level to elevate to during the playoffs.
    7.) Battier was traded for what many believed to be a superior player mold. Maybe if Gay was here and developed properly he would of been better than he is now and would be a cornerstone.

    That said, I think his strengths far outweighed all of that.

    Happy?
     
    #170 larsv8, Mar 9, 2011
  11. Kwame

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    I'm just asking you to be objective, but I'm not sure why it took so long. It's funny how this only happened once he left the team and after you had to be prodded to do so. Maybe this is part of the new larsv8.

    RV6, your rants and raves have made one thing clear, it seems like you're incapable of critical analysis. I've never made any debate about anyone or anything a personal one, so don't attribute things to me that are not true. If anything, you and others like you have made things personal by focusing the debate on me instead of the issues. Also, critiquing the team, the management, players, etc.. for their shortcomings can be viewed as being more progressive and showing more support for the organization than the blind unconditional love you have for a player like Battier.
     
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  12. AroundTheWorld

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    #172 AroundTheWorld, Mar 9, 2011
  13. RV6

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    From this thread:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=195781


    This over just 2 pages, so much for not making things personal and sticking to basketball.....
     
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  14. Big Shot Rob

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    i hope memphis continues to climb the ladder and eventually plays the lakers in the 1st round so battier gets another shot at kobe in the playoffs. he and tony allen are a crazy good defensive duo on the perimeter.
     
    #174 Big Shot Rob, Mar 9, 2011
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  16. Kwame

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    You have no idea what you're talking about. Go look at a guy like AroundTheWorld's name calling. That's what is meant by personalizing a debate and not sticking to the issues. Asking people to backup their assertions and their various positions with facts, examples, and evidence (which you still haven't done) is NOT personalizing a debate. So you wasted your time and did all that "research" for nothing and you still haven't provided us with one example that demonstrates you can think critically when it comes to the topic of Shane Battier.

    Edit: Just to pre-empt the two comments I made towards BMoney and AroundTheWorld. I think I was justified in responding to both of them in kind once, because they do it ALL the time. In relation to AroundTheWorld in particular, I think the comments I made about him have the added benefit of being true as well. Other feel the same way, just go and take a look in the D&D. If he doesn't want people to treat him that way, he should stop popping into thread to preach his usual hate. And, as far as the homo or no homo comment, I don't know what to think when you profess love towards Battier and spend a good portion of your time providing blind support and defense of anything he does. It's so irrational that it begs the question. Conversely, you can provide evidence of you being critical of Battier and then we can put the issue to rest.
     
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  17. RV6

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    I loved Battier.

    I love Lowry.
    I love Scola.
    I love Bud.
    I love Dragic.
    I love Lee.
    I love Martin.
    I love Patterson...

    Anyone notice a trend? Nah, it just has to mean i'm gay of course!
     
    #177 RV6, Mar 9, 2011
  18. Eps

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    faaaaaaaaaaabuloussssssssss!!!! :grin:
     
    #178 Eps, Mar 9, 2011
  19. davidxhz

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    in all honesty, without battier's put back, there will be no Zbo's rainbow buzzer beater, prove me wrong.
     
    #179 davidxhz, Mar 9, 2011
  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    give me Randolph this offseason.
     
    #180 REEKO_HTOWN, Mar 9, 2011
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