Iso Players: Does this system repel superstar development?

It is my theory that it takes more effort, energy, and concentration to defend the Adleman offense than it does any other offense. On this point, I think most will agree. It is also my theory that throughout the course of an 82 game regular season, the average NBA player is not willing to give 100% effort and 100% concentration on every single play of a game. They get tired, they get lazy, they lose focus for a second here and there. I think most of us can agree that this occasionally happens to most players. Keeping with the same theme, it is my theory that late in close games, all NBA players are much more likely to give their team 100% effort and 100% concentration. Again, this seems like a generally accepted idea.

Now here's the part that is surely up for debate. In today's age of advanced scouting, where every team has pretty much seen every play that an opponent will run, it is my theory that when the entire defense is fully committed to playing team defense, it is easier to stop a team running cuts and using screens that they have seen a thousand times before than it is top stop an elite player from creating a quality shot for himself or one of his teammates.

Therefore, I think it is POSSIBLE that while a motion based offense may put up more points through the course of a game, its shortcomings in the late game situations in which a defense is (theoretically) more likely to stop it, may make an individual shot creator a necessity to win close games, and more importantly, playoff games in which defensive focus and energy will be much higher throughout.

So the evidence I would like to see is evidence that contradicts my theory, showing me that ball movement and hitting players off screens is just as successful in "clutch" situations as it is in the first 3 quarters. As well as evidence comparing the "iso" style to the motion style in clutch situations. The new computer analysis cameras being setup in various arenas may be able to shed some light on this. Id be interested in seeing any data produced like that for this, but don't know if it's possible.

 

Ever watched a close Heat game lately?

 

I love this type of poll. I always vote everything just because.

 

This lol. Seriously, that's the only thing I got out of this lol

 

One of the main reasons Im questioning my theory and interested in seeing wisespread data on the subject. But still, isn't that type of play what most teams try at the end of games? The Celtics often run Ray Allen off a series of screens in end of game situations, but I can't really think of any other teams that do much other than toss the ball to their best player and tell him to go.

 

I'd rather be the Celtics than any other team.

 

I remember the year Pippen was here - in the last game of the Lakers series, Pippen didn't want the last shot & suggested Mobley - a rookie - iso on the last play. Pippen was such a wuss.

 

Can't argue that, but it's even harder to find a guy that can knock down as many 3s as RayRay than it is to find a superstar.

 

I'm pretty sure if ever there were a player comparable to Allen, it's Martin.

 

i'd say when we had ron and tmac was injured

 

Heyyyy, finally a place where I could find some statistical evidence to bring to the table. According to 82games.com's "clutch" stats, Ray Allen shoots 51% on 3's in "clutch" situations, compared to Martin shooting 25%. Not quite so comparable anymore.

 

Exactly. Kmart and several others iso during the game. The difference with them is they don't hold the ball for 15 seconds. They either make their move rather quickly our give the ball up if nothing is there. Which is fine. Just because its a motion offense ( a highly successful one considering the roster ) doesn't mean there aren't times when they go 1 on 1.

 

I see what you are saying, but you do realize that we don't have to run the motion offence on every possesion. In fact during clutch time we usually don't. It's usually iso with Brooks and then he kicks it out when the defence collapses.

In fact individual systems have nothing to do with how clutch a team can be. If we had Kobe we would probably give him the ball and iso in an end of game situation. But the problem is, we don't have Kobe.

 

Your sample size of 16 shot attempts doesn't impress me. And you need thousands of minutes to have a sample that matters, you're talking about 100 minutes.

And anyway, you say it's hard to get that? According to your stats, we can just go pick up someone like Nick Young for pretty cheap for the same production as Ray Allen.

 

^Or Mike Bibby, he was out there for the taking! I can't BELIEVE we passed on a guy who shoots 50% from 3pt during "clutch" time!!

 

My Question is do the Rockets have the time, patience and ability to turn a young raw talent into a superstar player ie. Kobe?

 

Umm...Kevin Martin gets many points off ISO plays. He gets about 25% of his points off ISO.

http://www.mysynergysports.com/

 

If Kobe was considered "raw" coming out of HS, TWill would be freaking unborn at this stage of his career.

Kobe put up 11+ shots and score 15+ in his second year while playing behind 2 all-stars at the guard spots.

 

I don't get this thread....

Isn't asking the question, "Name one all star who doesn't handle the ball 75% of the time" similar to asking to name a team with multiple all stars? Few of them exist, but any team with multiple all stars meets the criteria, as well as a dominant big man who is an all star, etc. Pierce is an all star wing who doesn't handle the ball 75% of the time. Maybe the better question is are superstars born via a iso mentality, is that what it takes to make closers? I think we lack an all star closer, and our young players not becoming closers could be attributed to the offense.

But what's the consequence of any of this? If 3 of our starters could play better defense we would be a young and inexperienced poor man's Boston Celtics, without a closer. So +1 to the posts about defense, no one remarks about what Kendrick Perkins could have done for this franchise but he is neither an all-star or iso player, but sets the tempo for team defense that would have made us a playoff team. I'd love to see K Mart lack effort with Perkins snarling in the middle..... not happening.

But back to your wishing for a Carmelo/Wade/Kobe....