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True Shooting%, eFG%, and PER

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocketfanatic2, Nov 26, 2010.

  1. heypartner

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    Seems one thing that could be done is look at increased minutes in the playoffs vs regular season. Most players increase minutes in playoffs. Of course, competition is tougher, but not everyone's PER drops. (TMac's increased in the playoffs to Top 5 PER of all-time in playoffs -- pretty amazing.) Offenses are also more focused, not taking possessions off.

    Maybe compare a player's delta PER between regular season and playoffs and compare it to the overall Team's delta PER. The run an analysis on players whose mpg change noticeably, like the Spurs players.
     
  2. Joe Joe

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    Comparing Per versus minutes has been a difficult thing to do. On a small scale, players tend to get more minutes when they are hot or when someone above them in rotation gets hurt. The "Hot" guys will give better PER numbers for minutes increased. The injury replacement guys will tend to have their numbers go down due to fatigue and a better player not in the rotation.
     
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    There's no point in doing this because both PER and MPG tend to increase at the same time. Unless your coach is a rotation r****d like Adelman, players witht he highest PER will be getting the most minutes each games whether its the playoffs or not.

    Kinda' offtopic but Tmac increasing his performance during the playoffs is proof that although he didn't work on his game, was a diva and basically had the mental fortitude of a house of cards the first round virgin thing wasn't really his fault. People just blame him for not doing enough but keep glossing over how the Jazz had their own dynamic duo+better role players or that Yao Ming was always injured come playoff time.
     
  4. heypartner

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    roslolian

    The players with the highest mpg on a team tend to be the best players. no?

    Show me proof that PER and mpg increase together. At some point, a player's efficiency goes down because they are tired...they have to come out of the game. Plus, the more mpg a 6th man plays, the more minutes he plays against opposing starters, rather than bench players.
     
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    I'm pretty late on this one, but here is the final stats for the season.

    Final Update

    Regular FG%

    Patrick Patterson - 56%
    Chuck Hayes - 53%
    Luis Scola - 50%
    Jordan Hill - 49%
    Goran Dragic - 47%
    Brad Miller - 45%
    Courtney Lee - 44%
    Kevin Martin - 44%
    Kyle Lowry - 43%
    Chase Budinger - 43%

    True Shooting % (takes all field goals and free throws into effect)

    Goran Dragic - 60%
    Kevin Martin - 60%
    Patrick Patterson - 57%
    Brad Miller - 57%
    Chuck Hayes - 55%
    Kyle Lowry - 55%
    Luis Scola - 54%
    Courtney Lee - 53%
    Chase Budinger - 53%
    Jordan Hill - 52%

    eFG% (adjusts for the fact that a 3 pointer is worth more than a 2 pointer)

    Goran Dragic - 58%
    Patrick Patterson - 56%
    Chuck Hayes - 53%
    Brad Miller - 51%
    Kyle Lowry - 51%
    Kevin Martin - 51%
    Luis Scola - 50%
    Courtney Lee - 50%
    Chase Budinger - 49%
    Jordan Hill - 49%

    PER (player efficiency rating based on league average of 15)

    Kevin Martin - 21.4
    Luis Scola - 18.4
    Goran Dragic - 17.7
    Patrick Patterson - 16.7
    Kyle Lowry - 16.5
    Brad Miller - 16.3
    Chuck Hayes - 16.2
    Chase Budinger - 14.2
    Jordan Hill - 13.1
    Courtney Lee - 12.6

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2011.html
     
  6. Aleron

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    To a point, depends how good the team is and how old the player is, Deng's mpg were the highest for the Bulls, Kobe's mpg are managed too, etc
     
  7. apollo33

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    Chase Bud bounced back and did pretty well to end the season.

    For a while there I thought he would never get out of that horrific shooting slump.
     
  8. roslolian

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    lol really late reply but whatever.

    Your first sentence said it all. The best players tend to be the ones with the highest mpg. The Best players also happen to be the most productive, ie. the highest PER. Therefore the ones with the best PER will also get the highest MPG.

    Logically speaking though, the more minutes you're in the game the more blocks,rebs, pts, assists you will have, so PER and MPG will tend to increase. PER isn't time-bound, it just subtracts the turnovers and other negative value stuff you do, so if you literally stay still on the court and just grab gimme rebounds when you get tired you'll still get additional PER.
     

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