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Chicago Bulls vs. Miami Heat

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Rockets Pride, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. francis 4 prez

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    this doesn't make a ton of sense for a number of reasons.

    all 3 guys have sacrificed almost equally. over the last 4 seasons, lebron/wade/bosh have averaged 20.7/19.7/16.0 fga/gm and this season it's 18.7/18.3/13.9. so the drops have been 2.0/1.4/2.1. spread almost as equally as possible. why should lebron and wade be playing perfectly fine with their reduced touches and bosh be struggling to find a rhythm/be relevant with almost the same drop? wade and lebron shouldn't have to drop even further just to keep bosh at his historical level because he's the only one who can't handle it, especially given all 3 had to know their shots would go down a little.

    for one thing, they only had 26 points in the first half today, but the general idea seems to be that lebron and wade are such a shot taking duo that we can't expect the offense to function well with the limited touches left over. but given that they've been the highest scoring duo all season and the heat have been top 5 in offense all season (and the role players aren't exactly so awesome that wade/lebron could be hurting them and still get a top 5 O), they seem to function perfectly well with lebron and wade taking shots. and they got 47 in the 1st half against orlando by being ridiculously on fire. they only took 21 shots, only a few more than their 1/2 game average. if 2 superstars being on fire and taking an extra shot a piece means the rest of the team can't shoot for the next 24 minutes, then those players are in the wrong business. guys who are doing well tend to take a few extra shots, you have to adjust.

    let's look at history. lebron and wade are scoring 51.8 ppg between them. during the bulls first 3-peat, jordan and pippen scored 49.3/51.1/51.2. and 49.8/49.8 for the next 2 titles. during the kobe/shaq 3-peat, they scored 52.2/57.2 (!!!)/52.4. and the 2nd title team upped that 57.4 up to 59.8 in the playoffs when they almost swept through the playoffs (and amazingly, both wade and lebron have a TS% higher than even shaq's in that middle season so they're not exactly wasting possessions). somehow all those role players managed to function just fine around their guys, some who were taking up even more of the offense and who certainly must have had games where they got on a roll and took up a lot of the offense, and produced championship offenses. wade and lebron are playing pretty much like any exceptional duo playing together has throughout history. it's up to the rest to come along for the ride.
     
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  2. francis 4 prez

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    what's crazier is that because nearly every game has come down to a last second shot while everyone is focusing on the heat's inability to hit a last second shot, lebron is having a rough stretch while actually playing really well. it would be one thing if he was just bombing in these games, but in the 5 losses, lebron is averaging 27/8/5 and is shooting 57.4% from the field. maybe the heat will just start hitting every late shot in the world in the playoffs (yeah right).
     
  3. apollo33

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    It's hard to believe because he is by no means a Rockets fan. He is a Lebron and Heat lover (like goodbug level love) posting on a Rockets forum. It doesn't matter if he claims he's been here since the Hakeem days or the Moses Malone days or the San Diego Rockets days, because we all see what he posts.
     
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  4. flamingdts

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    Well it certainly seems like you enjoy dissing Rocket fans (your sig) and you avidly defend superfriends under any circumstances.

    Not saying there is anything wrong with being a heat fan, but no need to proclaims yourself a Rocket fan if you really aren't one.

    The way you defend the superfriends do make me skeptical that you're a Rocket fan, no offense.
     
  5. noize

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    I think he mad and sad.

     
  6. vinsensual

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    Do you go to heat message boards and praise the Rockets every chance you get? Cause this is pretty ridiculous.
     
  7. rockets88MT

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    I feel the same way, its amazing that everything bad said about the heat is defended by him
     
  8. Shaud

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    Yeah he has played good up until that last shot, but when you're LeBron James and you call yourself King James people will bash you for it and come up with stupid nicknames like LeBrick that doesn't even make sense considering his fg%.

    Bigger problem for the Heat is their supporting cast not showing up in these big games. It's no like the Big 3 didn't show up today they all scored over 20 the problems is the role players.
     
  9. A_3PO

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    I assume you are joking. The choices would be Chuck Hayes and Brad Miller. Neither of those guys would be within 2 feet of LeBron if they were close to him at the top of the key and he attacked the rim. A massive slam dunk would have happened instead of a strong contest.
     
  10. goodbug

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    Role players' performance has a lot to do with captain's leadership. See how Celtics' big 3 transcend Rondo and Perkins into 10M/y players. Now check Larry Hughes, Shaq, Jamison. And Wade, Bosh. LeBron has a history of making teammates around him worse.

     
  11. Shaud

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    I can think of a few reasons Shaq got worse when going to Cleveland.

    Who exactly did Wade make worse?

    and Bosh for that matter
     
  12. A_3PO

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    First of all, I missed most of the 1st half and thought someone said the duo had 41 first-half points. Got my stats wrong there. My bad.

    Secondly, I maintain Bosh isn't really the problem. He's close to his historical averages and is a very good 3rd option for the Heat. But he's used to being a first option and has trouble when the Dynamic Duo completely dominate the ball for long stretches. Overall, Bosh has had a good season and the Heat probably couldn't have found a better 3rd wheel.

    I hear you on the first Bulls game, but during the 1st half it seemed like street ball, 2 against 5. In the 2nd half when LeBron and Wade went cold, a comeback by the Bulls was inevitable.

    I also hear you on the Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe stats, but those teams took a few years before they won championships. It appears to me the Heat will need another year or two on the stove (and maybe Phil Jackson) before their three-peat happens.
     
  13. Octavianus

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    "I also hear you on the Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe stats, but those teams took a few years before they won championships. It appears to me the Heat will need another year or two on the stove (and maybe Phil Jackson) before their three-peat happens. "

    Only if more people would think that, as they will go far in the playoffs, but are a year or two off before winning it all, unless they really click in the playoffs.

    How would Jerry Sloan look coaching the Miami Heat off next year, with Spo still Head coach..
     
  14. goodbug

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    Pippen and Kobe were in their early stage of career and they weren't all star worthy until 1990 and 1999 respectively.
    It only took them one year from being an all star player to championships. Wade, LeBron and Bosh are established stars in their prime. Sure they are still young and they can take time to gel. But they are showing some fundamental issues that are unlikely to be fixed by a coach. Wade and LeBron are the same type of the player and neither has post game, spacing is always a problem.


     
  15. Easy

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    Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
     
  16. Rock3t Man

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    I'll never get tired of seeing this... :)

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  17. Pull_Up_3

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    lol quit feeding the troll
     
  18. Steve_Francis_rules

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    That was a great finish by Rose. Both he and Lebron played very well in this game and both of them made some big plays in the final minutes and some poor ones. The game really should have gone to overtime, but unfortunately, Deng choked on his second free throw and Mike Miller is an idiot (even though I thought it was a bad foul call).
     
  19. noize

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    Can't question a guys greatness when he cause Hubie Brown to achieve orgasm. Seriously, how the heck can two bigger guy let one get away when its a two on one? That play gave the Bulls a lot of life and energy after that.

     
  20. flamingdts

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    The Bulls were going to score on that play no matter what.

    There were 3 bulls right behind rose for the put back.

    Just shows you the difference in intensity.
     

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