Kosovan Muslim 'shouted Islamic slogans' before shooting dead two U.S. airmen at FRA

Mmhmm. Go check out Fiji and how the Methodist Church there has treated Hindus there. Aside from supporting multiple coups to topple democratically elected governments that were led by Hindus, there has been tons of violence and terror to drive them out with the church there openly declaring that Fiji should be a Christian state.

Quit with the crappy generalizations.

 

lolz

sorry, that's not even close.

 

geeimsobored,

what a joke

 

religion of peace ...

 

America, cheered on enthusiastically by tens of million Christians in the US just killed approximately 1 million Iraqis needlessly. The leader who did this proclaimed his Christianity constantly, though I would wonder if he goes to church now that he is out of office.

This exceeds the number killed by Muslim terrorists by at least 10 x's.

Just saying.

 

complete fail of an analogy

 

]America, cheered on enthusiastically by tens of million Christians in the US just killed approximately 1 million Iraqis needlessly. The leader, Bush Jr. who did this proclaimed his Christianity constantly, though I would wonder if he goes to church now that he is out of office. Bush Jr. and Christian America killed many more than Mubarak, Ahmajinidad, and Qadaffi combined, but whose is counting.

The killing in Iraq far exceeds the number killed by Muslim terrorists by at least 10 x's.
xxxxxx

 

Ok you do realize that there are over a billion Muslims in the world? A very small % are annoying lunatics that give the religion a bad name. Oh whats the point? You guys have your minds made up. I'm out.

 

glynch you appear to be a broken record today

pull it together brah

 

another one in the "not my problem" camp

 

The original post I made was a response to the notion that people of Islam alone have committed violence. I was merely providing a modern example of something to differ.

Besides Fiji another good example is Lebanon, where the Christian Phalangist militias basically duped the Israelis and later the United States into getting into its little turf war. Again the Christian militias there were as bad if not worse than the other Sunnis, Druze or Shi'ites there. Again modern example of Christianity being involved with violence.

Furthermore, another example is in Sri Lanka where the Tamil Tigers not only engaged in a brutal civil war and many acts of terrorism, they also invented modern suicide bombing.

It is silly to think of everything in terms of absolutes and body counts. To use your spacious reasoning, where was the condemnation of the Christians in Lebanon when they went around massacring the other sides after the Israelis stepped in? Where was the condemnation of church sponsored coups in Fiji not once, not twice but three times to topple democratically elected governments because they werent Christian?

Your method of explanation is just flat out lazy analysis in many ways. There is so much nuance to any event in the world today that we just ignore. Lebanon is a perfect example. Time after time on this board people refer to Lebanon as a place run by Hezbollah that shoots rockets at Israel. Yet, no one even bothers to find out how Hezbollah got there in the first place or the roots of the Lebanese civil war.

But simply saying, well the least common denominator is Islam so therefore I'll just assume that's the reason is just ignorance. And its frustrating when well educated people not only subscribe to such a simplistic explanation in an absurdly complex world, but when they also dont delve into the history of the region. When people throw out tired rants about Hezbollah or the PLO without understanding the history of the region, then you limit your ability to find a solution to the problem.

For example, Hezbollah and the Shi'ite uprising in Lebanon wasn't always there. In fact in Lebanon Shi'ites were treated like crap by the Christians and Sunnis. They were the poorest group of Lebanon and were treated the worst. So when Israel invaded Lebanon the first time the Shi'ites didnt actually stop them or even resist them. Naturally they were skeptical of Israel but they also realized that this had the potential of helping them. Instead however, Israel made the same mistake many on this board would. (Muslims are killing Christians in Lebanon so we have to stop the Muslims) So they turn on the Shi'ites without even understanding the difference between Sunni and Shi'ite in Lebanon. And that's where Hezbollah comes from. That's why there is so much anger among Shi'ites in Lebanon against Israel. Israel was more or less duped by the Christian phalangist militias to massacre Sunnis and Shi'ites in order to help Christians recapture neighborhoods.

Yet that story never gets told. I'm not suggesting Hezbollah is good or its attacks are ever justified but you cant pretend that this is just about "radical Islam." The Shi'ite anger against Israel came from actual events on the ground, not some abstract hatred of zionism.

Stories like this can explain a lot of things in the world, yet lazy thinking will just get you to say "it's because they're muslim."

/long rant

 

^ I'll be going to Lebanon for the first time next week...can't wait! :grin:

 

I'll be praying to God* for your safe return











*White Christian God ONLY

 

I'll also be in Turkey and Syria...fear is such a weak emotion.

 

DON'T TREAD ON ME

Spoiler

 

Thanks for the kind words.

There are definitely misconceptions in the religion and the sad part is that these people think they're following the religion to a T. It's not just anti-American or anti-Christian..it's anti anything that doesn't fall into line with their thinking. That's why they even hate other Muslim people esp of the Shiite sect.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Wahhabism is the root of the problem. I'm not going to discount Hezbollah as I'm sure they have done some despicable things as well but the majority of terrorists believe in the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and Ibn Taymiyyah.

 

I can almost guarantee it won't be long before you start calling him names like 'Islamist' on here if he keeps posting against your viewpoints.

 

Hey how can I get a cheap summer rate to Turkey for several weeks in June? Thinking of going to Lebanon or somewhere else, too, but it has to be safe enough for an old guy. Thinking of Israel, tto, but have moral questions with going there and supporting their treatment of the Palestinians.

Can anybody give me advice on the Israel thing? No unreconstructed Zionist apologists, please. Maybe I can go spend some money in Palestinians areas or something.