Kosovan Muslim 'shouted Islamic slogans' before shooting dead two U.S. airmen at FRA

I would not be so quick to make this statement. At what point do people decide to put together the dots, and ask the question about whether it really is the religion that plays some role in this? To say religion plays no role is a bit of a stretch.

 

I blame rap music.

 

This is what he does best. Have you seen his "contributions" in the GARM or NBA Dish? They usually consist of personal attacks and/or extremely painful to read posts, because, well, he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's probably too busy obsessing over Islam all the time to think straight. Maybe it has something to do with the German mind.

 

NEG REP

If somebody replaced the word German with "African" (or some country in Africa), how would that work?

 

Or with the word "Muslim"....Now you should see where I'm going with this.

 

I'll just say something about this from personal experience. Much of my family lives in Hyderabad, India which was the largest Muslim majority city in India. (It's currently majority Hindu but not by much and was a Muslim princely state during the British era)

Anyway, the cross-cultural connection that results from living here is pretty clear. The Hindi my parents speak is closer to Urdu than normal Hindi. Tons of Hindus observe many Muslim traditions there. (and vice versa) You talk about using the word Kuffar (or Kafir) but that word is extremely common in Hyderabad and it doesnt always mean infidel there. Its like a schoolyard insult over there half the time without the religious connotation. I was there during one of the Shia holidays and the entire city shut down (including Hindu areas). The maid for my grandmother took time off to go give food to the poor in honor of a Muslim saint. There are festivals there that Hindus and Muslims attend. For example, there is a Muslim festival that people of all faiths attend to wish for good things for you and your relatives. (The basic idea is that if you have been blessed with something great you go to the event to pass on your good luck in the form of handing a roti to someone else who desires said result)

Dont get me wrong, Hyderabad is the definition of religious segregation and isnt some perfect harmonious community. (my parents didnt go to school for a year because of Hindu-Muslim riots) However, this notion that cross-cultural and religious connections dont exist in the forms of events, language, etc.. isn't true.

Anyway point is, I've seen Hindus say things that you would identify as uniquely Islamic all the time in Hyderabad.

 

Slow down

Whoa, whoa, WHOA... let's not start bashing one of our closest allies.

 

That is sad, but what is it that you want to debate or discuss?

 

pffft not convincing

 

Taking AroundTheWorld's train to one more station, I ask all the moderate Muslims in this thread:

Do you believe that there are too many religious leaders in the Muslim world who teach hatred?

 

Look at the positive, ATW has been relatively calm about his anti-Muslim obsession the last week or so.

Pehaps ATW should seek some sort of prosecutor job in Germany. Business law does not seem to be scrathing the anti-Muslim itch.

 

You see, you're helping them by acknowledging religion. You are validating their actions. Your behavior is rewarding to them and damaging to the rest of us.

What a cop out lol. 'NOT stereotyping is a weapon to deflect blame'. That just screams bigot. That's like saying all Christians are the same, and if they tell you otherwise, they are just trying to deflect blame.

How can you not notice that you share all the traits of bigotry? Trying to squeeze people into boxes? Generalizing? Stereotyping?

What kind of douchebag do you have to be to actually say that all Muslims share the same ideology? Essentially implying that all Muslims would do the same thing given the chance. There is a reason that sentence is not true, and in that reason you will find the answer to "why can't I consider them part of the same ideology?"

The families of those people don't give a damn about his religion. They only care about the victims, the killer, and justice. That doesn't change based on the guy's religion. They wouldn't feel differently right now if an atheist had done it.

As far as I'm concerned, and I've said this before, you share the ideology of terrorists much more than the average Muslim. They are extremists and you are an extremist, both biased, just happen to be biased towards different extremes. You extremists deserve each other.

 

It certainly plays a role in the murderer's internal decision process.

But it doesn't pick the gun up and shoot.

Victim = soldiers
weapon = gun
murderer = the dude

If anything, even acknowledging religion's role in this diminishes the fact that this is an adult who made a conscious decision.

If we're going to start acknowledging religion, then you are making a certain assumption that this person is helplessly under some kind of influence which clouded his judgement, and you can't blame him for that portion anymore. F that. This guy knows exactly what he's doing, he has access to the same information as you and I, he reads the same Quran as you and I can read, there is nothing out of his control. He is a murderer and should be treated like a murderer. He consciously picked up a gun and shot those people, and his ideology is completely irrelevant to bringing justice to the situation.

This guy should get what he deserves - all the blame. If you're going to start blaming Islam (As if it's an entity that chooses which mind to occupy and how to do it), then you're going to gain nothing and lose on two fronts:

- Moderate Muslims are wondering why they are being tied in with this. They now feel like someone is fighting them.
- Terrorists are rejoicing about how they showed the world that this was done 'for Islam'. Imagine how unfazed or disappointed they'd be if no one even noticed it was for Islam. This, btw, is exactly why they scream Allah u akbar. Because they desperately want it to be acknowledged so that it can be considered a successful attack.

I say show no mercy. Make a point that people are personally responsible. The next time a psycho imam tries to convince someone to pick up a gun, that kid is going to think "well, all the blame is going to be on me, they're going to screw me up, they don't care what I believe, and no one will even know why I did it."

It's the only way forward. This is why the scream before killing, in court, in jail, when being arrested, before getting hung, before suicide, etc. We shouldn't give them that.

 

An "ally" waiting to backstab us and start another world war, again

Soldiers around the globe gave their lives in the wars defending freedom, it's sad to see you disregard their sacrifices so lightly and ignore the lessons of history

 

the religion of peace strikes again....

"but christians kill people too"

yah they don't cut peoples heads off and blow up buildings either.... and no, the OKC guy was not.

 

Every heard of the IRA or the Tamil Tigers?...

 

No, instead christians dunk people in water and see if they can breathe underwater because they are different or burn people do death because they have different belief systems.... o wait that was in the past and it was commited by white people so it doesn't matter. My bad.