IowaHawk explaining why Texas public schools in the country and Wisconsin schools are quite awful http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/longhorns-17-badgers-1.html
Jack Hunter keeps avenging. <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_wYmV1evMT8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Like the good Gov of WI, you seem to be flailing about, spouting nonsense. It's amusing to watch the desperation and frustration set in for those that can't seem to come to grips with the fact that the country agrees with the union members and a once rising star of the new republican reich is going down in flames.
Great job posting this...It's funny how evident that the longer this thread continues the clearer it is to see those pro public teacher union supporters looking even more in the wrong...The liberals called for a civility if it applies to only the tea party, but they are silent on these activities as shown in both youtube videos...Such blatant hypocrisy. . .!
The people in those videos (I haven't watched them because I won't consider video material from MSNBC, CNN, Fox, or YouTube as evidence of anything) should be acting civil, just like the TEA Party folks should. It is a two way street and uncivil behavior will only lead to further devolution of our political discourse.
I don't think anyone in this thread has excused or supported the Hitler references or anything uncivil that either side has done.
You mean states that have more minorities have better strategies for teaching minorities? OK, great. That doesn't have to do with anything pro or against public unions though.
What's amusing is watching people like ROX and rtsy completely ignore the fact that the chief of Police of Madison has, on several occasions, praised the civility and respect the protesters have demonstrated throughout this entire event. All they can do is take snippets of video out of context and once again distort the truth that the protesters have been nothing but courteous, respectful and law abiding . Sad really when one has been reduced to lies and slander to make a point.
The tea party deserved every bit of scorn and derision they received. The protesters in Madison? Not so much. To compare the two is an insult to the good people of WI
well rtsy should admire any protester that makes Hitler comparisons and has any incivility. He's said before he abhors the idea of civility in politics. I have been very happy that the protests have been peaceful, and civil for the most part. That's great. At the same time the idiots who do the Hitler comparisons and other stuff are ridiculous, and I have no problem wishing those people were not present.
Yes, I know. I wish more people involved in those protests would take it on themselves to admonish the "bad apples" who engage in hyperbolic, uncivil speech. Just because we have the right to be offensive and vitriolic doesn't mean that we should.
I am wondering what role of teaching to the test plays in that. My understanding is that Texas since the 1990's has placed a much greater emphasis on standardized test such as the NAEP than other states.
It means, Texas, with no collective bargaining rights, has a better public education system then Wisconsin which does has had collective bargaining rights. This would be the opposite of what many liberals have claimed (such as Paul Krugman).
No it doesn't. It means they have better test scores with minorities than Wisconsin. The test score averages overall are still better in Wisconsin.
Texas has better test scores with majorities as well. In fact, Texas has better test scores with every race. Texas has lower drop out rates then the national average for every race as well. Texas does have better schools than Wisconsin and the national average. Did you read the article?
According to your link though Wisconsin does marginally better in regard to white and hispanic dropout rates while worse for blacks but the problem with a racial comparison is that due to the differences in makeup of Wisconsin a racial breakdown isn't that comparable. If we look at the total dropout rate Wisconsin is much better. 2.2% WI to 4.0% TX. In fact WI beats its neighbor MN, which has unionized teachers who don't have as generous benefits as WI, in dropout rates. 2.2% to 3.0%. When compared to other states that don't have unionized teachers WI does very well too: MS 4.3%, SC 3.9%, and NC 5.7%. These stats come from the same source that Iowahawk cites: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d09/tables/dt09_106.asp Now Iowahawk does have a point regarding possible racial biases within standardized testing and education, something I find interesting for a conservative to make and one that I think would make for another interesting discussion. That said going race by race isn't that good of a comparison do to the differences in regard to the makeup of each state.
