Having visited Malaysia, I would have to agree with Rocketsjudoka. Had a great time there and I am planning to visit again.
Never having been there myself, but I'd guess Turkey. I'll be going to Istanbul in two weeks, so I'll confirm/deny when I get back.
The problem starts with the leadership right now. And Pakistan is not ready for a democracy. democracy is base don the people being informed/educated. When the literacy and education rate is so slow, they can be easily manipulated and often don't know whats best for themselves long term and get swayed by zirdari's tactics and emotional pull of his wife. This is a guy who is a convicted felon and is nicknamed ten percent bc he takes all the money and puts a little in his pocket. They have a crook running the show and he was elected bc of lack of education in my opinion. If you donate for the floods to the govt, you don't even know where it goes! If we are giving billions in aids, we should say you have to put this amount into education infrastructure, etc if we are really committed to a stable and effective democracy there.
The neg rep I got for my earlier post this thread: I have the right to inform others who is on my ignore list. In your honor I have added it to my sig also. I don't know who you are, so for all I know you could be someone who has taken a side in the ongoing AroundTheWorld vs Islam debate on this forum. I really hope that isn't the case here...
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I don't understand how democracy is any more based on information/education than any other political system. At the end of the day, if the people are not informed/educated, and the leadership is smart/corrupt, the results will be the same I think.
No, there is a difference. If you have one corrupt dictator and 5 million people without any education, it is much easier for the dictator to keep them in check - just give them enough so that their basic needs are met, otherwise keep them stupid. The more educated people are, the more they will want to participate in the political process. I think that's one of the reasons that dictatorships usually do not yield good results - dictators keep their people stupid on purpose. China might be an exception.
AroundTheWorld is attempting to compensate for his lack of intelligent arguments with the posting of unrelated pictures. Again it fails...
Thats what I'm saying. If the people are uneducated and uninformed, that would happen regardless of whether it's a democracy or not. I just don't see how education/information is any MORE important to democracy than other political systems. Seems to me it's equally important across the board.
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I think we agree more or less. Maybe it is even more important in a dictatorship, because people need to overcome. In a functioning democracy, education is still very important, among other things to prevent democratic rights from being taken away, but when the status quo is good, the need for change is not there so much.
All of you who have blamed religion on Pakistan's problems have ignored the third country on the subcontinent - Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan). Like Pakistan, Bangladesh is predominantly muslim. Bangladesh has a plethora of problems all stemming from extreme poverty. However, Bangladesh is a democracy. If Pakistan lacks democracy due to religion, why has the same fate not fallen on Bangladesh? To blame a lack of democracy solely, or even predominantly, on Islam is an easy out, but not an accurate one.
Bangladesh is ethnically and linguistically homogeneous. It has none of the sectarian divisions of India and Pakistan. Also East Bengal voted for its separation from India, it wasn't arbitrarily partitioned like West Pakistan. I suppose the common denominator is that they're both Muslim but they have a ton of differences. Bangladesh never had to deal with all of the internal divisions that are ripping Pakistan apart. And to suggest that Bangladesh is a truly healthy democracy isnt quite accurate either. Also no one, and certainly not the article, blamed Pakistan's problems solely on Islam. Islam became an issue when governments used it to buy the support of the uneducated people of Pakistan.
