Texas Senate panel OKs abortion sonogram bill

The world would be a better place if Rick Perry died.

 

Not if his hair was left lying 'in state' in the rotunda.
A permanent martyr to colloquial stupid.

 

Which is exactly the problem I have with the Republican party, along with telling people what they can and cannot put into their own bodies, which includes, but is not limited to, sex and drugs.

 

Of course a hip replacement is apples and oranges compared to an abortion as there they are putting something in.

To answer your question directly, yes I would consider it invasive if it wasn't medically required.

 

I think we can go round and round on when the embryo / fetus is a person but as far as viewing it it doesn't really look very much like a human being during the first trimester. Someone not familiar with human development may not recognize what they are looking at especially through a sonogram.

 

Max the problem with these what if scenarios is that you have to consider it the other way too. What if Jared Lee Loughner's father was never born would those 6 people in Tuscon still be alive?

 

Especially if they are blind.

 

I got a sonogram Christmas card and a sonogram framed picture this Christmas.
They look like a wad of snot.

 

Anyone not sure if this is medically needed should just look at the 24 hour "cooling off" period. There is no medical need for a cooling off period. This is a creation of red tape to limit a right that they disagree with but cannot eliminate.

 

so we should preemptively abort babies to prevent them from growing up to become bad human beings? and then, at the same time, we'll oppose the death penalty.

if we're gonna make the utilitarian arguments that weeding out unwanted pregnancies is a policy goal because it saves us social costs down the line, then it's probably best to skip due process and return to the firing squads to administer justice for those that somehow escape our abortion trap.

 

Great...so what's the harm of a sonogram? Have you seen a sonogram of a first trimester pregnancy? I saw both of my sons' beating hearts. I thought that was pretty impressive.

Also...not all abortions are carried out in the first trimester.

 

For too many, it's another procedure they make a buck on. For some it's the overwhelming source of their income.

The Court once said that black men were property. Thank God someone disagreed.

 

Well I have advocated that the solution to all of our problems is Mandatory Universal Abortion. I mean if guns don't kill people but people that kill people then shouldn't we get rid of people? No people, no problems!


Seriously though my point is that we don't know the future. So saying things like an abortion might end up in there not being the next Einstein or Ghandi you have to consider it might end up there not being the next Jim Jones of Jared Loughner. Essentially you have to consider all possibilities.

 

Go back and read the context I responded to.

And I never said Einstein...I said my father...who was very unwanted. I didn't mention my best friend...whose mom made a decision not to terminate him. I recognize that both could have turned into asswipes. But so could we all. We shouldn't shape policy on abortion around, "well, we'll keep social costs down by weeding them out now!"

 

I disagree with this soooo much that I can't really respond very well, initially. Go Rockets/Texans/Astros

 

Yes I have and if you didn't know what it was ahead of time you probably couldn't tell what it was. Here is a picture of a first trimester sonogram



In fact a human embryo up until then is almost indistinguishable from a chicken embryo.

I will agree there may not be any harm in it but as other posters have noted there is an added cost to it and given what little is there to really identify what is there this seems like a mostly meaningless legislature designed to rouse passions but with little consideration of effectiveness.

True and I think from past discussions on this topic most of us here would agree to greater restrictions on abortions past the first trimester.

 

But except for the potential financial burden, that's not really relevant to this law. It doesn't stop anyone who doesn't want a pregnancy from terminating it. The only abortions it would stop are people who changed their mind voluntarily and decided they wanted the baby. Now, it may not be effective or worth the money or might be an unfair burden on women - but that's a different argument than what you're talking about here.

 

Hard to capture the heartbeat I was talking about in a still picture, judoka.