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The Economy? Jobs?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jan 3, 2011.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    Nope!

    Not even sworn in yet and republicans schedule a vote to repeal the new Healthcare law. And they want to hold the vote right before the SOTU to embarrass the president.

    This is just a taste of what the party of NO has in store for the next session of congress. They know it has no chance of passing and yet they will hold a meaningless vote to appease the crazies. What's next? Birther hearings? Impeachment?

    It's going to be a long two years with these freaks

    House Republicans schedule health care repeal vote
     
  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    As bad as things are for Obama right now, the next 1.5 years seem very obvious.

    The economy and hiring will continue to improve and the momentum should be easy to see in November 2012. Will the Republican Congress take an active role so that they can claim some ownership of the recovery, or will they paint themselves as the OMG-STOP-HUSSEIN-OBAMA-HELP-AARRHGHGGHGH party.

    In one case, I give them a chance at the whitehouse, (pending a non-insane candidate who has more than a community college resume) but if they just act like confrontational jackholes, Obama will be able to take credit for the recovery (rightly or wrongly.)
     
  3. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    40% physicians will retire or find other work under Obamacare in the next three years.

    So one could make the argument that it does have to do with jobs. One could also say that decreasing the deficit will give investors more confidence thus helping the economy.
     
  4. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    I think we know where this is going...

    "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." - Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell
     
  5. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    doctors are going to retire regardless of the law - strawman

    the CBO estimates that the new law will cut the deficit $130 billion over 10 years. and $1.2 trillion over 20.

    next
     
  6. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    But as usual you completely missed the point of the thread
     
  7. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    40% of physicians would retire in the next three years if Obamacare wasn't enacted?

    It is unclear to me what the CBO thinks. I don't put much stock in there analysis anyways.

     
  8. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    Why hold a vote you know will not pass?
     
  9. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    I would support doing it every month until it is enacted to remind voters who wanted this plan. If you think people will like Obamacare then reminding voters of who voted for it should make you happy. As far as wasting time; how long does a vote actually take? I have no idea. I have watched quite a few and it seems like 30 minutes.
     
  10. ghettocheeze

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    What exactly did the party of "Yes, We Can" and "Hope and Change" do for the economy and jobs in the past 2 years? Oh yes, not a damn thing except that stimulus bill which failed to create any sustainable jobs. BTW, I love it when liberal Democrats think they should hold the Republicans accountable to their pledge even though you didn't vote for them. The Republicans are doing exactly what they promised over the last 2 years. Repeal of Obamacare has been the number goal of the conservative platform and that's why people came out in masses to vote for the Republicans. Also, fixing the economy is still Obama's prerogative. You can't get much done with control of only one chamber of Congress. Historically speaking, the President is the one to most likely take the fall for a bad economy. The opposition party is rarely responsible in the eyes of the public. So, Obama's neck is still on the line and not the other way around. But, you Democrats can continue to spin this whichever way you like. In 2 years, if the economy is still the same, then guess who gets voted out of office first?

    It's the economy, stupid.
     
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    mc mark Contributing Member

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    pathetic

    The American people hired the new house to get business done. Not make partisan show votes that are meaningless. Republicans better be very careful. They are on a very short leash and Americans are watching.
     
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    How's the doctorate coming? You still owe me an e-mail brah.
     
  13. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    I would guess that these votes would take 30 minutes to an hour in each chamber. It is not wasting time.
     
  14. mc mark

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    Here's a complete list of the changes that went into effect Jan. 1:


    Medical-loss ratio requirements:
    Healthcare plans must provide rebates to customers if they spend less than 80 percent of premiums on health care (85 percent for the large-group market). However, a number of plans have been exempted from the requirements.

    Healthcare plans must begin calculating the ratios next year, with rebates starting in 2012. Also in 2011, so-called "mini med" plans will be required to collect and share data so federal regulators can decide how to apply the medical-loss ratio to the low-value plans going forward.

    Closing the donut hole: Medicare beneficiaries will receive a 50 percent discount on brand-name prescriptions, as the government works to close the Medicare Part D "donut" hole. The discount applies to drugs whose manufacturers have signed agreements with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services; those who don't won't see their drugs covered by Part D.

    The "donut hole" refers to a gap in Medicare prescription drug coverage included in the 2003 law that created the program.

    Below a certain threshold ($2,830 in 2010), Medicare pays 75 percent of drug costs. And for beneficiaries who reach a catastrophic level of spending on drugs ($6,440), Medicare pays for 95 percent of the costs above that threshold. Beneficiaries whose spending falls between those two thresholds — the so-called donut hole — until now had to pay 100 percent of costs in the gap. The new reform law progressively closes the gap, first with $250 rebate checks starting in 2010 and then with a 50 percent discount on brand-name drugs starting next year. By 2020, beneficiaries will get a 75 percent discount, thus completely closing the donut hole.

    Primary care bonus: Doctors will get a 10 percent Medicare bonus for primary care services, while general surgeons in health professional shortage areas will also get a 10 percent bump. The temporary bump lasts through Dec. 31, 2015.

    Medicare prevention benefits: Cost-sharing for Medicare-covered preventive services earning an "A" or "B" grade from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force will be eliminated. Medicare deductibles for colorectal cancer screening tests will also be waived, and Medicare coverage will be authorized for a personalized prevention plan.

    CLASS Act: A national, voluntary program will allow employees to purchase long-term care insurance. Enrollees who become disabled will be able to get payments to help them in their daily lives after they pay into the program for five years.

    Premium threshold freeze: The income threshold for income-related Part B premiums will be frozen at 2010 levels for 2011 through 2019. The Part D premium subsidy will be reduced for individuals earning more than $85,000 and couples earning above $170,000.

    Medicare Advantage changes: Payment rates to private Medicare Advantage plans will be gradually reduced in comparison to Medicare fee-for-service (FFS) rates. Payments will be frozen at 2010 levels, and plans cannot impose higher cost-sharing requirements for some benefits than required under the FFS program.

    Health home payments: States can allow Medicaid enrollees to designate a home healthcare service as their provider, and states can receive 90 percent federal matching payments for two years for home health-related care.


    Chronic disease prevention:
    States can receive three-year grants to develop comprehensive health lifestyle programs for Medicaid enrollees.

    Tax-free spending accounts: Costs for over-the-counter drugs not prescribed by a doctor will not be reimbursed through a health reimbursement account or flexible spending account. They also may not be reimbursed on a tax-free basis through a health savings account or Archer medical savings account.

    Quality strategy: The Department of Health and Human Services must report to Congress a strategy to improve healthcare service delivery, patient health outcomes and population health. The plan must be updated each year.

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    I look forward to republicans explaining to their voters why these need to be repealed
     
  15. mc mark

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    It will never pass the house or make it to the senate. It's a waste of time Doc.
     
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    Isn't that why they voted in BHO? Where was your outrage when he crammed reform through?

    Many of the newly elected members campaigned on repealing/stopping Obamacare. Why exactly are you surprised????
     
  17. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

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    please stop

    nobody crammed anything through

    and those new members were lying to you. They know there is no way to repeal the law.
     
  18. Major

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    Ummm, do you know anything about Merritt Hawkins and how they conduct surveys? The same problems in the original IBD survey are here - these are not scientifically sound polls - they are arbitrary, voluntary surveys that get filled out by a select audience. There's no more value in that than there is in an internet poll.

    The question you should be asking yourself is why do you rely on unsound data as your primary source to defend your viewpoints? And what does that say about the quality of your analysis?

    If you were right, it would mean there would be a ton of new jobs available for people who wanted them.

    In case you haven't noticed, investors are extraordinarily confident about the economy right now - maybe too much so.
     
  19. basso

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    what a short, strange trip it's been.

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  20. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    You have provided me with no evidence that these polls are unsound. You just yell and insult a lot which diminishes your points to me.

    new jobs for physicians, which requires quite a bit of education to get.

    Maybe that's because the Republicans in Congress are trying to remove Obamacare.
     

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