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Pat Robertson Way More Progressive on WOD than Obama Admin

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  1. rtsy

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    I guess statism is the most powerful drug of all.

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    Eric Holder: Feds Will Crack Down On mar1juana If Prop. 19 Passes


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    Attorney General Eric Holder has announced that the U.S. government will "vigorously enforce" federal law against mar1juana if California voters elect to legalize the drug next month.

    In a letter to former administrators of the DEA, Holder stated that the Department of Justice "strongly opposes Proposition 19."

    "If passed, this legislation will greatly complicate federal drug enforcement efforts to the detriment of our citizens," Holder wrote. "Regardless of the passage of this or similar legislation, the Department of Justice will remain firmly committed to enforcing the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) in all states."
     
  2. YaosDirtyStache

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    Give up already, Ron Paul blows donkey scrotum...Libertarianism a fringe belief...statism isnt the worst thing to ever happen...there needs to be a smidge of socialism in every developed nation or there can be no hint of equality between class levels...War is needed to create balance and progress...Ron Paul blows donkey scrotum.
     
  3. rtsy

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    So you are a big supporter of Obama's war on drugs?
     
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    The only drug I want Obama to wage a war on is whatever drug you take to wake up in the morning.
     
  6. Anticope

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    You do know that "Obama's war on drugs" has been going on for decades, right?

    Unfortunately, it's hard to see much getting done as far as reversing the war on drugs on the federal level. The Obama administration seems satisfied taking the same anti-drug approach this country has taken for a long time, while the Republicans, who are always so interested in personal freedoms, have no interest in reversing the current federal policies either. If anything is going to change anytime soon, it's going to have to be at the state level, which we are already starting to see.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    Obama no more owns the War on Drugs than did Bush, Clinton, or Bush before him. The two presidents who own most of the WoD are Nixon and Reagan. The other ones just stuck it on autopilot.
     
  8. across110thstreet

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    this is at least the second time you have posted the Holder announcement.

    PROP 19 FAILED on NOV 3
     
  9. Rashmon

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    Here are some other really important proclamations from Pat:

    "Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court." –Pat Robertson

    "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson

    "I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days"2 at Disneyworld

    "(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson

    "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson

    "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there." --Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial

    "God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'" --Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke3

    "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department4

    "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez5

    "It may be a blessing in disguise. ... Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. Haitians were originally under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon the third, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you will get us free from the French. True story. And so, the devil said, okay it's a deal. Ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other." –Pat Robertson, on the earthquake in Haiti that destroyed the capital and killed tens of thousands of people, Jan. 13, 2010

    Do you support his positions here?
     
  10. rtsy

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    And the Obama Administration celebrated, because they were against it in the first place. Hope and change...
     
  11. YaosDirtyStache

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    Get over it already...there will NEVER be a Libertarian in office and I will off myself live on camera if ever Ron Paul wins the POTUS seat.
     
  12. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    What's with the hope and change line of attack on subjects that Obama never campaigned on? That's dumb.
     
  13. across110thstreet

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    and so were the California citizens...

    it's a moot point.


    clever!
     
  14. KingCheetah

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    Pat Robertson hates NASA.
     
  15. rtsy

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    US vows help for Mexico drug war

    Hillary Clinton says cartels at war with US as well as Mexican government.

    Last Modified: 27 Apr 2010 09:30 GMT

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    The Obama appointed US secretary of state has pledged to help Mexico broaden its war on drug gangs, saying the cartels were not just at war with the Mexican government but with the US as well.

    Leading a high-level US delegation in Mexico City for a day of talks with Mexican officials on Tuesday, Hillary Clinton said it was time to tackle the deeper social issues that fuel the narcotics trade as both nations battle powerful smuggling organisations.

    "These narcotics cartels are waging war on civil society," Clinton told a news conference, pledging that the joint US-Mexican response would not be bound by "borders or bureaucratic divisions".

    Clinton said anti-drug efforts must move beyond efforts to disrupt trafficking organisations and seek to strengthen law enforcement agencies, increase economic opportunity and set up a "21st century border" that can promote security, trade and movement between the two neighbours.

    She promised to step up US efforts to prevent guns from flowing south from the US to Mexico and to work to address illegal drug demand in both countries, a key underlying cause of the crisis.

    About 18,000 people have been killed nationwide in incidents surrounding the narcotics trade in the past four years – more than 4,000 in Ciudad Juarez alone since 2008.

    High-level delegation

    The weight of the delegation - including Robert Gates, the defence secretary; Mike Mullen, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff; and Janet Napolitano, the homeland security secretary - underscored Washington's concern over the drug violence south of its border.

    That concern sharpened after the shooting dead of two US consulate employees in the violence-wracked Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez earlier this month.

    The attack raised the question of what Washington could do to bolster security without being seen as interfering in Mexico's internal affairs.

    The US is already deeply involved in Mexico's struggle with drug gangs and has pledged some $1.4bn over three years in a thus-far unsuccessful effort to crush cartels which ship $40bn worth of illegal drugs north each year.

    Barack Obama, the US president, said last year that Washington had to take its share of responsibility to end the drugs trade, with a large demand for drugs coming from US citizens.

    But Mexican critics say the US has not done enough to help and that aid already pledged has been slow to arrive.

    Patricia Espinosa, the Mexican foreign minister, said the US team had promised on Tuesday to speed assistance and resolve "bottlenecks that have delayed the delivery of equipment we need".

    'Long-term measures'

    Al Jazeera's Marina Sanchez, reporting from Mexico City, said people there were questioning how the new efforts would improve the situation.

    "What analysts are saying is that these measures may be for the long term; months to be implemented, maybe years to be effective.

    Mexico's drug war

    "In the meantime, what people in the front line of this war are saying is 'what happens to the civilians, those who every day are living in dangerous places where civilians, even children, are being killed every day?'"

    Napolitano said Mexico could expect more US drug enforcement, border security teams, sniffer dogs, licence plate readers and better intelligence sharing, but said Washington also wants to broaden the primarily military focus of the effort.

    Eric Olsen at the Mexico Institute at the Woodrow Wilson Centre in Washington, DC, said there seemed to be a some rethinking of the American strategy.

    "[In the past] the emphasis was much more on hardware and equipment, the transfer of airplanes. helicopters, x-ray technology, dogs, and other kinds of technology to combat trafficking," he told Al Jazeera.

    "I think the realisation now is that simply deploying the army, simply deploying airplanes, is not really going to be a solution to this very difficult and intractable problem.

    "There has to be a much more complex and broad approach to it that includes improvement of the rule of law of Mexico, better efforts to reduce consumption of drugs in the United States, better efforts to disrupt the flow of weapons from the US to Mexico and the money that goes along with it."

    Mexico is the main supply route for illicit drugs entering the US, with about 90 per cent of cocaine consumed in the US travelling through Mexico.

    Social programmes

    Clinton said an emphasis on social programmes was important in the wake of the financial crisis that left many on both sides of the border with few economic options.

    "The recent downturn in economic growth and remittances has aided the drug traffickers in their recruitment of young people," she said.

    Mario Gonzalez Roman, a security consultant in Mexico City, told Al Jazeera that the problems associated with drug trafficking in Mexico would not stop unless the drug consumption in the US is tackled.

    '"When is American society going to stop inhaling cocaine or injecting heroine? Unless this comes to a stop, we can't think in terms of progress.

    "What we have is here at the centre of the table is a bunch of good intentions but as long as the American government and the American society understands that as long as they don't stop consuming these drugs, the problem in Mexico is never going anyway."

    Felipe Calderon, the Mexican president, has added 50,000 troops to the fight against the drugs trade since 2006, but some critics have said that this has only inflamed the conflict's mortality rate.

    Calderon recently visited Ciudad Juarez to launch programmes including new schools, nurseries and soccer pitches, aimed at attracting youths away from drug cartels.

    Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Lord have mercy what is the problem with that? can you at least elaborate?
     
  17. Depressio

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    What a waste of time and resources. I can't wait until my generation gets into power to we can begin getting rid of such draconian things.
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    I thought exactly the same thing about my generation and, though we are inching closer, the lack of real movement towards a regulated market baffles me.
     
  19. Scarface281

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    They're trying to drop it to a Class C Misdemeanor in Texas (equivalent to a traffic ticket):

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    Prohibition is such a big problem. People are going to get what they want, if it is illegal or legal, so what's the point of promoting this violence by making it illegal? Does Al Capone and alcohol prohibition ring a bell to anyone? This drug "war" will NEVER end. We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on a pointless war that is just putting money into the DEA's pockets (they get paid when they make big busts) and killing innocent people (children even). For example, why is heroin usage in this country going way up after we invaded the number one exporter for heroin on earth (Afghanistan). Same thing with crack in the 80s (Reagan/Contra/Nicaragua, some interesting stuff). The amount of money we pour into this never ending war could instead be transferred over to help education and infrastructure in this country. Most of the drugs they are fighting against, Big Pharma has made synthetic versions of them (Marinol is a synthetic version of THC, for example). We were taught in school at a young age that drugs are bad, but oh, take this pill the doctor gave you, with all these bad side effects, and it'll make you feel better! So what if it is synthetic and not the natural version of it...synthetic is safer than natural! Right?

    People now can make meth off of simple household items bought at Kroger. It would have probably never gotten this way (desperate people), if it wasn't for the prohibition against drugs. I mean, heroin and cocaine were legal and used for medication during the early 1900s (Heroin and Aspirin were the new medications made by Bayer back then, for example). The US Government has put themselves into deep ****. People are becoming more knowledgeable now about it all and it's about to flip come 2012 I bet. This will be a big issue. The drug violence is getting worse and people are tired of it. Prohibition obviously has not worked, and will never work. And the percentage of people addicted to drugs today are not higher than they were in 1900.

    Check out some more examples of illegal drugs currently that were completely legal and safe back then: Weed, Booze, Cocaine and Other Old School "Medicine" Ads: http://www.pharmacytechs.net/blog/old-school-medicine-ads

    The sooner people realize this drug war is because the government has harmless drugs like mar1juana as Schedule I drugs (the worst kind) and it's really one big money circle between the DEA and Big Pharma, then maybe the violence will start ending. It's time to end the drug war. Legalize, tax, and regulate. More tax revenue for America, will keep the drugs away from the little people (you don't need an ID to buy illegal drugs), and overdoses/usage should go down (like in Portugal). In fact, Portugal only saw an increase in mar1juana usage, but they have government run clinics that give healthy dosage of heroin, for example, so the overdoses went down (people can go to the doctor and get their shot safely instead of on their bathroom floor). The police force that tried to find drug users instead are being used to find REAL criminals like murderers and robbers. They look at it as a health issue rather than a criminal issue, which is what we need to do. The big problem is the private prisons built in small declining towns across America. We have to fill them somehow to help this small town's economy, so what better way to do that than to lock up people for having drugs? The sooner we end this pointless and never ending "war", the sooner we can enjoy Spring Break in Mexico again.

    So tired of seeing people die over this BS. Time to stop it.

    /rant :)
     
  20. ILoveTheRockets

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    Nooooo, Do Not Bomb Starbucks or 5 Hour Energy Drink Plants.... NOOOOOooooo
     

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