you've seriously never witnessed loyalty in pro sports? this whole website is based on the concept of loyalty...the whole concept of being a fan revolves around it. franchises seek to earn it. you also don't like pixar movies, right? :grin:
don't make assumptions, I don't e feel sorry for lebron, i feel sorry for people like you who are actually bothered
Can someone please help me get a hold of ESPN. I'm having a one hour special at 5PM Pacific time to announce what I'm going to have for dinner. I think everyone deserves to see an hour spent on this decision.
wait..hold up, boss. i don't need sympathy. this is a basketball forum and none of this really affects us....if Hakeem had left Houston that would be a different matter but don't do the, "i feel sorry for you" routine because you disagree.
i didn't like the show and thought it was a bad PR move (certainly seems to be at this point, outside of the charity money), but the media has been hyping this up non-stop for 2 years now. short of lebron just giving up his right to be an unrestricted free agent, the hype around all of this was going to be enormous no matter what he did. and i agree with Gooshie, loyalty ain't got a damn thing to do with this. lebron was on cleveland because some ping pong balls bounced a certain way. and cleveland fans loved him because he was the best basketball player in the world. if he was the 127th best basketball player in the world, they wouldn't have really cared. is it cool when someone plays their whole career with one team? i guess so, but really only if they're really good and it's my team. like the way hakeem played his whole career with the rockets (and certainly never went to toronto his last year). but there's no good reason you should be held hostage for your whole career because of some ping pong balls. does that mean i don't get the resentment from cleveland fans? no. while there isn't loyalty, there is attachment and clearly that had been built up for the last 7 years. but just like everyone burning his jersey last night, lebron had to do what was best for him, and it's hard to argue this miami situation isn't better than cleveland's current basketball situation.
I guess I do. Let's blow this picture up a little for a closer look... What if Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Kobe, Durant, Nash, Howard, Parker, Granger, Gasol, Dirk, Melo, Roy and Budinger (for DD) all became FAs and decided to take vet min so they could all join the same team to win some trophies. Would that be good for the NBA - watching 29 other teams get pounded night in and night out - for years? Would you still think their trophies were just as valuable as the Spurs, the Lakers, the Bulls, etc? As someone posted earlier, we all believed Lebron was the best and could do it with a little help but evidently he didn't have the same belief in himself.
Yes, the Cavs weren't doing that, as in enough to make a great player want to stay. I know what you mean....of course the Cavs weren't trying to trade Lebron. Why would they? He was bringing them wins and boatloads of money. I'm not breaking up with Halle Berry if I get to hook up with her via luck (ie the draft). But if I don't step my game up then I can't complain when she leaves me for a clearly better option. Yes, no one is criticizing Wade, which shows how silly the whole matter is. Criticize all you want, but at least use something that makes sense. Don't say you can't be the GOAT because you played with Wade, yet Magic is arguably the GOAT and he played with Kareem, Worthy and Scott, or when Jordan played with Pippen and Rodman.
There is loyalty between fans and their team. That's why we're fans. There is no loyalty between players and teams unless it is mutually beneficial. That's why it's a business. The former is a hobby for people. The latter is their career and livelihood. I'm not saying I wouldn't have been devastated if I were a Cleveland fan, but the reactions here are absurd.
you still aren't getting that there's a boatload of us who see a gigantic difference in a guy staying loyal to his team...going out and recruiting other players to come there to make it better.... and leaving your team to go play with better players. man...as a rockets fan, i'll take the guy in example 1 over the guy in example 2 every day of the week and twice on Sundays, provided they're of equal talent.
Well, I guess it's one sided then. You don't have to love where you're from, especially when the people feel so entitled to that love simply because you were born there and were unlucky enough to get drafted into a turd like Cleveland.
boy, he sure pumps up a lot of crap about cleveland and the state of ohio, then. he sold that "turd" for quite a while.
Give me some examples, and I have no doubt I could show you that it was mutually beneficial, in one way or another. Staying in Cleveland benefits them a lot more than it does Lebron.
never have liked him and this latest p***y move will perhaps pull the cloak from his many 'witnesses' eyes.. wat a heartless b*stard to hold a press conference to rip the hearts out of his hometown on national tv, wow.. this was premeditated to add the latest chapter of massive heartache to CLE thats just wrong
