Can we REALLY afford Lowry ? Putting all our easter eggs in Yaos basket?

There is no way Lowry would get 7 million from anyone, backup guards are easier to find then good back up bigs. This is how Jared Jefferies got his sweet deal. Look at Knicks starting Danilo Gallinari, he is getting $3M this year and $4M next year and he is starting. I see Lowry signing for Rockets for $3.5 or $4M next year since he is already at $3M this year.

 

Had to stop reading right there.

 

It's a nonissue anyway. Nobody is going to offer $7 million for Kyle freaking Lowry. Especially considering all the other good players on the market this off-season.

 

7m? no way. and i dont see les paying the lux tax even for lowry. im not even sure if he'll get a big raise when your GM is morey. have you guys forgot how he lowballed landry's extension?

but if they did go over the tax keeping him and especially scola, im sure theyd do some moves to get under the LT. i can even see them packaging jordan hill + this year's picks to move up the lottery and shed hill's contract. or maybe trade down if theyre worried about the rookie salary sending them to LT.

 

I don't know why some of you guys keep thinking Bosh would come to Houston anyway.....

I rather keep Scola and sign him to a much cheaper contract than Bosh. Bosh is a good player and he will demand a Max Contract, which I don't think he deserves. Bosh is good but he's not worth a max. The Rockets would be in a hole for years if they got Bosh with a max contract.

Bosh isn't good enough to be a franchise player. He would need someone better than him to be more successful. Kind of like Pau Gasol. Look at Bosh right now. His team is pretty deep with Hedo, Jose Calderon, Andrea Bargnani, Jack etc. But they're still struggling. If Bosh was truly a franchise player, a superstar, then his team should be one of the elites because his team is packed with good players. Look at Lebron James, his team is decent but they're number 1 in the east because he's a superstar, a franchise player that is worth a max.


Next season, the Rockets should resign Scola and Lowry. They both are good players that won't demand big contracts. I think Scola and Lowry would sign a reasonable contract. It won't be like a Kapono who signed a big contract with Raptors just because they need someone. If signing this two players got the Rockets over the cap a bit then so be it. I mean look at all the great teams in the league. They all spend money. The Rockets would really suffer if they let Lowry walk because they don't want to spend a little more because of the lux. cap. Same goes for Scola too.

I cannot wait until Yao's contract expires. His contract is the only one left in this team that is big. If Yao asked for a big contract again, I say let him walk. When Yao's contract is up, I think a vet's min contract will do because of his injuries and he's declining right now. Or if any good offer comes along, I say put Yao in the offer to get a better player in return. I wouldn't mind trading Yao for players like Al Jeff, Brook Lopez, etc... Lets be clear, no matter how much Yao means to this team, he is not untouchable. I'm sure Morey would trade Yao if a good offer comes along.

 

I agree with you, Yao* + what is on the court now are not chickentenders. But Lowry will most likely be resigned. What Les says isn't set in stone. Lowry has proven to be worth a lot to the Rockets and for that reason he will stay no matter what Morey decides to do with the rest of Rocket's "assets". Battier has pretty good value and is wanted by play-off> teams.

And for the first round pick Morey holds... we don't need to worry. The pick is in good hands. Whether it's in a trade package or for a future C so be it. Another C for Yao/Jordan Hill to battle in practice only makes us taller and stronger at the Big positions we need. With the way Adelman coaches the better player overall will get the deserved minutes.

 

Watch the knicks game and you'll see how important lowry is. He pretty much kept us in it for the first 3 quarters.instant energy, he keeps drawing fouls in rapid time which allows the rocets to be more aggressive on offense due to other teams being over the penalty count. He also gets to the line alot.he changes the game in so many little ways that people often overlook.

 

On the other hand, it was the Knicks.

 

They beat the nuggets last night. the knicks are improving somewhat. they also tore the mavs in dallas.

 

On the flip side, they lost to Chicago, a below .500 team with Noah only playing 11 minutes and Deng not playing at all

 

I'm sorry, but are you effin kidding me? A couple picks?? We essentially got 3 first round draft picks from New York out of the deal. Granted, the 2011 is a swap and no in addition too, but these pics all have potential in trades. We also picked up Martin for Landry and Dorsey. Martin is an extremely efficient offensive player.

I know, how bout before we go whining about, "what to do, what to do?" Let's let Morey finish doing what he set up with the trade from the get go. Do you really think this is the finished product, that we're just gonna chill and see what happens? I think with Morey, we don't have to worry about those things anymore. When he says he's going to deliver, he usually does. The TMac deadline trade was a brilliant move. Brilliant! Too many of you kids these days want things to pay off now. Most the time in life, you have to be patient and actually work for things. Kids these days.

 

Denton from your last percentages thread, you should have been banned alone. No more posting for you, lol.

 

I think lowry is a good player and for the right price a good value, but he's replaceable. There will be some pg's availible that can be very good backups. A kid who comes to mind is marcus williams and cj watson.

 

Oh? Then can you explain why we suddenly went 4-9 (including the Philly game which he missed the second half and we blew our lead) without him? And then 5-2 with him since?

We can't really compare it to Scola's effect because, well, Scola has never missed a game. That's why I said Lowry's arguably more important than Scola. We have evidence that Lowry is very important, but we don't have evidence that Scola is (or isn't) important, so it's arguable to say one or the other.

But you go keep dealing in absolutes, Mr. Armchair GM.

 

You're replacing someone we know to be an impactful who's loved by the staff and always plays hard with mere potential (and in Marcus Williams' case, a guy with a questionable history).

Its worth it to stock your bench with known, quality players, because you never know if that player will have to play big minutes due to an injury. I think the Rockets would be willing to pay up to 5 million to keep him, but it won't come to that.

 

I dunno, 5 mil seems like an awful lot for Lowry. I think that if either your starting PG is solid enough or the rest of your roster is talented enough, you can forgo backup PG the caliber of Lowry. Because he's a borderline starter, he'll cost more, so it becomes a question of if you really want to pay that much for a backup.

It really depends on Yao. If he comes back and gets his all-star form back, I think we'd be better off with a Carlos Arroyo or Sergio Rodriguez for 1.5m. With Yao giving the starters that extra point production, you'd just need a PG who wouldn't let the bench give up points. That's as opposed to right now where we're really relying on the bench for points as much as our starters.

 

no one in New York even knows who Lowry is.

you must be on drugs if you think they're going to offer $7million for him.

Lowry is a role player who doesn't even start on a lottery team, and you think he's more important than Scola and compare him to Yao?

coo-coo

 

i immediately stop reading OP's post when i read that he raised a possibility of NY offering Lowry 7 MIL. WTF......

 

"What if New York offers Lowry 7 mil per. Do Rockets match? Ny could screw us over by overpaying lowry causing us to lose him."

Do you really think Donny Walsh can come back with Lowry for 7 million a year and maybe one superstar? The Heat cause D-Wade has been wanting to play with Lowry his whole career? The Clippers cause paying 15 million to BD is not enough? The Bulls building the Rose and Lowry back court that everyone fears? The teams with that kind of money are not giving it to Lowry.


Let me break things down into tiers for free agents
Listing Examples.
Tier one : Wade, Bosh, Lebron, Amare
Tier Two : Johnson, Boozer, Gay, Lee
Tier three : Manu, Ray Allen, Scola, Felton
Tier Four :McGrady, Morrow, Nate Robinson, J O'neal
Tier Five :Lowry, Blake, Travis Outlaw, Mike Miller

You might make be able to say four for lowry but he is restricted so that ties your money up while Houston decides and thus might cost you someone else. I think Lowry is at best tier 4 and I rate him 5. Those guys don't get 7 million a year when the cap is 52 million. You do not pay a backup pg 15% of your cap.

"1. I think Yao will not be in tip top shape until atleast Allstar break. And even then he will be limited in minutes (reduced minutes=less impact on game)"

Fair enough... that is actually a better reason to keep Lowry as his style would be a great complement when Yao is out. Thus increasing his value to our organization.

"2.I DONT think we will re-sign lowry to pay the lux tax. There has to be a reduction in salary somewhere. Either Battier gets traded for an expiring,but would any team really want to take Battiers contract and give up an expiring?"

Shane's contract expires that year. So does chuck's and Jared's. There is some flexibility there and it is not where you start the year but where you end it. Morey has proven that he can enter a year with more payroll and then trade out of it. So yes there might be a reduction in salary.