:grin: You skipped 1836 through 1845 up there but I like the part I'm quoting. See you later, Texas. We don't care we lose a big chunk land with enslaving aholes. Geez, man. Why are you resorting to insults...?
Only interesting thing was that slavery was legalized and the head of each household was given a sizable land grant. The constitution also denied citizenship to African-Americans and Native Americans. Furthermore, it made it illegal for slaveowners to emancipate their own slaves without the consent of Congress. http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth5872/
Why are you ****ting on Texas in the happy independence day thread? No one ****s on the happy d-bag independence day threads. Show equal respect.
George Strait said it best: There wouldn't be no Alamo No Cowboys in the Super Bowl No "Lonesome Dove", No "Yellow Rose" If it wasn't for Texas. I wouldn't be a Willie fan Nobody would swim the Rio Grand I wouldn't be an American If it wasn't for Texas. CHORUS Fort Worth would never cross my mind There'd be no Austin City Limits sign No Lone Star of any kind, If it wasn't for Texas. I'd never gone to Tennessee to sing my songs and chase my dreams, Only heaven knows just where I'd be If it wasn't for Texas. Fort Worth would never cross my mind There'd be no Austin City Limits sign No Lone Star of any kind If it wasn't for Texas. It made me the man I am, Thank God for my old stomping ground. I wouldn't be standing right here right now If it wasn't for Texas,
Simplifying years of history and turmoil into the most volatile reasoning under 20/20 hindsight and citing that as prime cause is disingenuous, in my opinion. There is truth to it, but to portend this was the only issue at hand is not only misleading but just wrong.
What an idiotic statement, with all respect due. The vast majority of Texans didn't even own slaves. Why? Because they were ****ing expensive, and because many Texans simply didn't want them. Seriously, why don't you take that crap and put it where the sun don't shine? You worthless piece of ****. This is Hangout and the President, who I voted for, has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. I swear to god, I've been here for 8 years now, not counting lurking for years before I registered, and I can't remember two idiots posting such crap on the day Texas declared its independence. As far as I'm concerned, you two should be booted to the Moon for such pure, unadulterated lack of respect for my state and its history. One of my ancestors has his name on the San Jacinto Monument, and he must be rolling in his grave.
I guess I was indoctrinated, but I had to write papers on the history of Texas and one of the themes that I found was why Texas pressed for revolution. To put it lightly, I became ashamed that we celebrated the independence. Texas has an amazing history to be celebrated, but this is on of the aspects that really bothers me. To everyone else, sorry for being inflammatory.
it was certainly a part of it. slavery was outlawed under spanish and mexican law, but ignored - white settlers were still bringing their slaves in. santa anna declared himself dictator in 35 and created new anti-slavery laws which he vowed to enforce. these measures were designed to end slavery in texas. this is all pretty accurate, but again, slavery was also a major issue. and while you did have to convert to catholocism to get citizenship, it was a formality at best and i dont think settlers were actually paying tithe, even if there was a law on the books. as far as i know they were paying no taxes of any kind, especially to the church or government in mexico city. i dont know that mexico was dictating to the settlers what they could and couldnt grow - there was actually substantial cotton plantations in texas, mostly east of the brazos. that was where the demand for slaves came from. i think in most cases geography dictated what you did - cattle were more prominent west of the colorado - better for grazing - and this was also where the tejanos had more of a presence and the vaquero culture was predominant - remember that mexicans are the OG cowboys. the anglos that came in settled along the brazos and were not as focused on ranching - in addition to subsistence they were also looking to grow cash crops for export (cotton).
one of the things brought up is how the mexicans were caught off guard b/c they were taking their siestas, which plays into certain negative stereotypes. there is a little more to the story though... the mexicans were taking their seista's b/c they had been up all night fortifying their position and anticipating an attack from houston - they didnt sleep in the morning b/c again they thought houston was going to attack. by 3 or 4 they figured the texans were not going to fight that day so they finally went to bed. Those texans back then seem like tea partiers now.[/QUOTE]
Unless it's the 1830s and large-scale manufacturing hasn't happened yet. And the Mexicans unofficially permitted it. Incidentally, I'm guessing slavery was just a pre-text that most people at the time would have accepted. (There's some pretty explicit stuff in the original Texas Constitution about white supremacy.) The real reason was just Manifest Destiny. You want something to feel guilty about, take another look at that Californian Independence movement/War with Mexico. We just ****in' took that ****. As an aside, Santa Ana seems like he was a really disappointing leader; you sense that he could have set the course of Mexican history in a different direction. What the hell was he doing traveling with his troops?
before i get accused of being a texas-hating r****d dickhole i just want to clarify that ive lived here my whole life and honestly consider myself a texan over an american. and i did not vote for obama! i love our history - its such a unique story - i dont think we owe anyone an apology for it, but its important to see things from both perspectives. as far as the revolution goes, there was good and bad men on both sides, but the end result was probably an inevitability - spain/mexcio had 300 years to colonize texas and could never do it - nobody wanted to live here - by the time of the revolt there were only like 5,000 tejanos living in the entire state. the anglos were expanding and had been clamoring for texas for decades. mexico had a very corrupt and weak government and the actions of people like santa anna helped drive texas into american control.
Why can't you D&D trolls keep it there? The President of the United States has nothing to do with this talk. Now you and Wikipedia are threatening to send this celebratory thread to the depths. In other news, Happy Texas Independence Day!
History is a funny thing. Written by winners, the lie most commonly agreed upon. Any flag standing today has its stains and blood on it. Early Texas history may not have been without its negative aspect, but I love what Texas is and has become today. There is no other state in the country that has the feel of home. Texans are some of the proudest people on the planet, for better or worse. Even dallas has its part in what we are, as much as it pains me to admit it. No place I love more. Stars at night are big and bright.......
You might like these as well, although they don't specifically mention Houston. Little Texas - God Bless Texas Kevin Fowler - 100% Texan George Strait - Amarillo By Morning
