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Will Lowry start before the end of the season?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by trugoy, Feb 18, 2010.

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Will Lowry start ahead of Brooks by the end of the season

  1. Yes

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  2. NO

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  1. ASidd_1990

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    Would you trade in your pistol for a shotgun? I say let the enemy be shocked and suprised at what you bring to the battlefield!
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    It seems like a loooooooooooooooooooong time since we saw Lowry out there on the floor.

    As far as Aaron Brooks, there could be some truth to Morey not wanting to pay them both so much. We could wait until the off-season 2011 but, true enough, will another team want to pay him what we do not want to pay?

    Or is a lockout inevitable and for this we can wait and see if the new CBA screws Brooks even worse than Morey ever could? (Actually, Morey's just a good negotiator, but, from the player's perspective....)

    Brooks and Lowry actually played pretty darn well together. Brooks would be so much better on a team with an Iggy, a Brandon Roy, a Wade, type of shooting guard----one who can dole out the assists.

    I can go from loving and hating the player Brooks in the same game. Makes some big shots, but too small to play effective D and gets himself into trouble. But he's at a disadvantage because he has no pressure relief valve out there, he doesn't get spelled for stretches by Lowry these days; and I'm sure Tony Parker would look similarly jacked-up at a similar stage in his career without Tim Duncan to help him look good.

    To TRADE him, though....tough call. We could get a high draft pick, I would think, but we're trying to win now, and I'm not entirely sure what "real point guard" we would go after....although, we have a solid combo guard coming over from Spain season after next.

    Well, enough of this stream-of-consciousness from me.
     
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  3. ASidd_1990

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    Would you trade in your pistol for a shotgun? I say let the enemy be shocked and suprised at what you bring to the battlefield!
     
  4. BrooksBall

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    I think that is pretty much the situation in a nutshell.

    Brooks has some skills but Lowry is the better overall player and fit going forward.

    I still like Brooks as a Terry-type off the bench but the situation as it is probably dictates that you move Brooks since it would create tension to demote him.
     
  5. Karolik

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    Should Lowry start? Yes. Will he? No
     
  6. DaDakota

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    FIFY.

    DD
     
  7. durvasa

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    Considering how different Brooks and Lowry are, this caught my eye:

    PER:
    Brooks -15.8
    Lowry - 15.8

    TS%
    Brooks - .545
    Lowry - .544
     
  8. DaDakota

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    That is amazing, especially the TS%....Brooks benefits from the 3pters, and Lowry from the FTs.....

    Glad we have them both.

    DD
     
  9. gmoney411

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    A good question to ask yourself is do you feel comfortable with a backcourt that can only score. If you keep Martin and Brooks in starting roles you end up with two guards that don't play defense, pass, or rebound all that well. I'm not really convinced that Lowry is the answer to the problem but I'm not really sure how much I like a Brooks/Martin backcourt especially if the Rockets get Amare or Bosh this offseason. Do we really need/want a shoot first pg that is the number 3 or 4 scoring option and brings very little else to the table?
     
  10. rhino17

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    I don't understand why you keep saying it is a good fit. It simply isnt. Putting Lowry in the lineup just because they now have Martin creates the EXACT same problem as when only AB was there. There is only 1 competent shooter on the floor. With a low post presence like Yao, that HUGE flaw will only be more emphasized. Hell, when the team was Yao and tmac, the problem was that no one outside those 2 could do ****. Brooks is a top 20 scorer in the NBA right now and a good outside shooter. He HAS to start, not only not but ESPECIALLY when Yao returns.
     
  11. BrooksBall

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    I just get the sense that Lowry's ability to draw fouls and get into the bonus as well as his defense, rebounding and hustle plays will outweigh Brooks' ability to spread the floor with his superior outside shot. Lowry is an underrated scorer by some because of his average-at-best outside shot but he's elite when it comes to getting to the line. I don't believe that Yao clogging the paint will prevent Lowry from scoring in his way. It didn't stop Parker from scoring with Duncan and Adelman is a great offensive mind. Even if Yao can't play in the high post, I still think Adelman will continue to use him in a slightly different way than during the JVG era.

    Having said that, I think Brooks could truly be a tremendous asset to this team in a Jason Terry/Jamal Crawford role. The problem is you would have to ask Brooks to be a backup to Lowry in order to achieve that. If Brooks was a vet like Terry or Crawford, that would be one thing but Morey/Adelman would have to take the keys from him after one season. If Brooks was willing to do that and Morey/Adelman see his value as a Terry-type, great. If any of those things are untrue, you pretty much have to move him.

    There is also the cost of keeping both of them beyond next season. Can you afford to pay one of your backup PGs MLE type dollars, esp. if the league has the possibility of going to a hard cap?

    I just don't think the Rockets will be able to keep both Lowry and Brooks and my impression is that Lowry is Morey's guy. He didn't just make that trade last season to allow Brooks to start. He has long coveted Lowry and I think almost everybody now sees why.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    This makes ZERO sense, if Morey wanted Lowry to start, he would have been starting.

    Lowry and Brooks competed in training camp, Brooks won the job.

    You keep posting some mythical bit about Morey being committed to Lowry....because he traded for him.

    That is LOL funny, Morey is committed to making the Rockets better, and either one could be gone this summer....it would not shock me.

    But...pssssstttt.....the rest of the league would rather have Brooks, you know why? He is a better player.

    Pass it on...

    DD
     
  13. BrooksBall

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    Unless, his goal was to preserve Lowry's body because of his reckless style of play for the season(s) that really matter.

    And maybe he figured he would be able to hold down Lowry's market value a bit by keeping his minutes down without sacrificing his development?

    And maybe he feels that this the perfect opportunity to fully evaluate Brooks while increasing his trade value in case he does want to trade him?

    I'm obviously just guessing. You could be right. But my guess, if I had to make one, is that Morey takes the decision out of Adelman's hands for next season by moving Brooks in the offseason. It's not like he won't discuss it with Adelman but he'll find a way to convince him it's a good move by getting another good piece in return as part of a bigger deal.
     
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    If Houston trades A.Brooks, they will be the dumbest franchise in the league. This guy is special and keeps getting better. No way, Houston won't trade him. I really like Lowry's game, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to ship out A.Brooks, who is a rising star.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Come on Brooks, maybe the aliens sprained Lowry's ankle too...right?

    Lowry lost out on the job in training camp, it is Brooks, and Morey and Adelman love what he is doing out there.

    Lowry too, but he is not the starter, in Memphis, or in Houston.....great as an energizer off the bench though....I will give him that.

    DD
     
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    Your reading into something that isn't there. It is pretty clear who the better player is, any one around the league could tell you to be honest which is why this is such a petty and silly argument.

    Its like saying Deke was a better C because he can block shots and Yao couldn't. Yao takes charges and Cs aren't supposed to take charges so deke is thereby a better center because he fits the archetypical role better.

    You see what I mean by the logic is flawed? There is no blueprint to an NBA pg.
     
  18. rhino17

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    disregard the previous post, I ****ed up the quotes
    I never said he could not get to the line with Yao in there, I said the offense would stagnate because if you throw in Lowry, that gives you a single outside shooter on the floor for Yao to kick it out to. Tony Parker is in a completely different situation (outside him being an infinitely better player). It never mattered that Parker could not hit an outside shot because they had other players that could: Manu, Bowen, SJax, Michael Finely, etc. The Rockets DO NOT. They will have Martin and that is it. Have you not seen how they struggle when they have AB alone out there as a viable scoring option. They need all the firepower they can get into the starting lineup. AB and Martin along with Yao gives you an inside/outside threat with 2 options. With Lowry in there, the defense will just need to collapse on Martin and we will watch the same problem that has plagued this team for 6 years.

    Like DD said, that makes no sense. He drafted Brooks too, doesn't that mean it's his guy? If he meant for Lowry to start, why didn't he from day 1? Brooks did not become the starter until Lowry became a rocky.
     
  19. BrooksBall

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    I like Brooks. I think he is an elite shooter off the dribble at his position (yes, the PG position for those that will jump and say he's a SG). I see no reason why he can't over time become something like a Jason Terry. Look at Brooks' numbers compared to Terry's numbers when he was starting for Atlanta early in his career. They are nearly identical all the way down to how frequently they get to the line. I think it's a far better comparison than the Parker ones I and others have made in the past.

    If Brooks turns out to be Terry-like a few years from now, is that a bad thing, whether it's for the Rockets or some other team?
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Why Jason Terry and not Tony Parker?

    You are just using the only example you have to justify your boy getting in there ahead of Brooks.

    Which is funny based upon your user name, not sure why you turned on him.....but whatever.

    DD
     

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