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Evan Bayh (Senator-Indiana) Will Not Seek Reelection

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

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    Here is a perspective from over at the Washington Post:

    [RQUOTER]Bayh to Obama: Take This Job and Shove It

    Millions of Americans long to tell their bosses “take this job and shove it.” Hardly any have the power and money to do so, especially in these recessionary times. Sen. Evan Bayh (D) of Indiana, however, is the exception. His stunning retirement from the Senate is essentially a loud and emphatic “screw you” to President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. For months now, Bayh has been screaming at the top of his voice that the party needs to reorient toward a more popular, centrist agenda -- one that emphasizes jobs and fiscal responsibility over health care and cap and trade. Neither the White House nor the Senate leadership has given him the response he wanted. Their bungling of what should have been a routine bipartisan jobs bill last week seems to have been the last straw.

    I don’t doubt that Bayh could have won re-election -- though he probably did not relish the prospect of a very nasty campaign revolving around GOP attacks on his wife’s business activities. Let it never be forgotten that Bayh is a perennial Democratic golden boy, the keynote speaker at the party’s 1996 convention, scion of a political dynasty, proven vote-getter in a red state and, in his own mind, prime presidential timber. For him, then, the question was: even if I win, who needs six more years of dealing with these people, after which I might be 60 years old and trying to pick up the pieces of a damaged political party brand?

    And don’t get him started on the Republicans! I think we have to take Bayh at his word when he quite justifiably expressed disgust not only with the jobs bill fiasco, but also when he lashed out at the Senate Republicans who opportunistically voted down a bipartisan budget-balancing commission they had previously endorsed.

    Quitting the Senate was a no-lose move for the presidentially ambitious Bayh, since he can now crawl away from the political wreckage for a couple of years, plausibly alleging that he tried to steer the party in a different direction -- and then be perfectly positioned to mount a centrist primary challenge to Obama in 2012, depending on circumstances.

    There will be those Democrats who bid good riddance to Bayh and his coal-burning-state apostasy about cap and trade, etc. If so, they won’t need a very big tent to contain the celebration. On a more pragmatic view, Bayh’s dramatic vote of no-confidence in his own party’s leadership looks like another Massachusetts-sized political earthquake for the Democrats. Not only does it imperil the president’s short-term hopes of passing health care and other major legislation this year. It also makes it much more likely that the Republicans can pick up Bayh’s Senate seat in normally red Indiana and, with it, control of the Senate itself. If present trends continue, November could turn into a Republican rout. [/RQUOTER]

    Clearly, this take is more in accord with the "pulling the ripcord and bailing out of this flaming wreck" theme that I opened the thread with.
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You know Mojo, I try to give you the benefit of the doubt but this is borderline nutty.

    bayh specifically mentioned two things, the republican 7 flip flopping on the budget commission, and reid not being able to get jobs bill passed.

    your specific myopic perspective of this doesn't matter because bayh has been able to speak for himself about his frustration. Thanks though
     
  3. MojoMan

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    I don't know if you saw it, but I posted an article from Mother Jones just before the Washington Post article. How nutty was that?

    I am as surprised as anyone by this move, and I have been in the process of trying to expose myself to different analytical perspectives on this seismic political announcement in order to try to come to a better and fuller understanding of what this may mean. And I have shared a few of those perspectives that I have encountered with the board, for those who might be interested. Silly me.

    If you do not want to be exposed to any perspectives that differ from your own, then you might be well advised to avoid reading my posts.

    Or, alternatively, would you prefer that I submit all of my posts to you for approval and editing before I post them? Really now.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I don't need another perspcetive, I have evan's in his own words, and so do you
     
  5. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy

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    There is almost an Enron level of ship jumping going on right now -- makes you wonder.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    and mojo, since you want to be a smart ass about reading posts, read mine again, its not about my perspective or yours for that matter, the fact is we have evan's
     
  7. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    Come on. You have the word of a politician. A politician. If all you need to form your opinion is the word of a politician, I'm afraid you've been wrong about everything you've ever formed an opinion on with regards to politics.
     
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  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    come on with the patronistic "come on"

    regardless of what mojo posted, its way to early to sepculate on why this guy is not running for re-election, other than his word

    the only other logical reason other than his is he thinks he can run for president. but the whole, "fed up with obama", forgive me if I don't go with mojo's unbiased "perspective"
     
  9. MojoMan

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    Well, that may be enough for you, but it is not for me, or for a great many other people either.

    So far I have posted articles on this story from three perspectives

    1. (In the OP) - A straight piece of journalism from an Indianapolis local newspaper, the Indianapolis Star.
    2. A commentary piece from the left-leaning Mother Jones Magazine
    3. A commentary piece from the center-left Washington Post

    And now, to round things out, here is an interesting post from a conservative blogger who is a frequent CNN Analyst, Hugh Hewitt:

    [RQUOTER]A Bayh Challenge To Obama?

    Whatever the reason(s) for which he is choosing not to run for re-election, Evan Bayh's retirement instantly puts him in a position to challenge President Obama for the Democratic nomination in 2012 if the president continues his hard-left lurch by pushing Obamacare, cap-and-tax, and the makeover of the entire U.S. economy in the European mold. If Bayh uses his last year in office to stand for traditional Democratic policies, he becomes not only a prime contender to take on the president in the 2012 primaries, but, if he chooses not to run, an attractive replacement for Slow Joe Biden as a genuine "moderate" Democrat with distance from the fiascos of the first two years of the Obama Administration.[/RQUOTER]

    Since we had not actually seen any articles from the conservative right, I just wanted to add this to help keep this thread fair and balanced.
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Mojo

    The only thing I'm challenging is that Bayh is "fed up" with Obama. Neither of the articles you posted suggest that. I don't challenge that he has presidential aspirations, and as a matter of fact if he does, bailing on the senate as soon as he gets a chance is what he needs to do. he doesn't want to be associated with the grid lock that is congress right now, and he can run as the guy that quit.
     
  11. MojoMan

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    Nobody has said that Evan Bayh is standing down because he "fed up with Obama". Not me, or anyone else, at least that I have encountered so far.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're right, my bad
     
  13. glynch

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    Yeah, his final act as a reputed Democrat. He sticks it to the Dems. I predict big bucks in lobbying for corporate causes for Bayh.
     
  14. glynch

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    Pgabriel, I don't think you can take Bayh at his weasily word. He was pissed at the Dems and has been playing the aggrieved centrist for months, siding often with the Repubs if not in actual votes all the time, but in his rhetoric. I have come to hate him. He is sticking it to the Dems and is sort of Liebermanesque in his action.

    I suspect his conservative corporate kissing approach was not pleasing really anyone-- the teabagger undereducated types which Indiana is full of or actual commited Dems who don't like his mealy mouthed Republican light approach.

    Bayh might be actually delusional enough to see himself as running for president again-- but what party? He has always seem to have an inflated sense of himself.
     
  15. A_3PO

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    Yeah, "real" Dems don't go into lobbying.
     
  16. Batman Jones

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    We'll miss Bayh about as much as the GOP misses Arlen Specter. Not very much.
     
  17. A_3PO

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    So is there room in the Senate for guys that can't be pigeonholed as right-wing or left-wing? Or is it just all about Dem party-line voting vs. GOP party-line voting?

    Ideologically, we need many more people like Bayh, Specter, Snowe, Nelson in the Senate that represent the views of their state's voting public instead of reliable hacks who toot the party line 99% of the time.

    The fact there are so many Dems that won't "miss" Bayh is a positive reflection on him.
     
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  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    I don't know if you consider me to be a "die hard," but I would be thrilled if both parties were engulfed in flames. Maybe then we could get some people in office who weren't just corporate shills (note that I referred to members of BOTH parties as corporate shills).
     
  19. SamFisher

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    In a Senate in which the filibuster is used effectively then this is a recipe for disaster.

    Oh and we need more people like Snowe (demand concessions, receive them, and then follow the party line anyway) and Nelson (hold everything hostage until you get special concessions for Nebraska?

    I doubt it.

    The fact of the matter is that, the way the Senate is operating currently, you need more polarization rather than less if you want anything other than the the status quo.
     
  20. justtxyank

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    If the Republicans take control of the Senate this year will you miss him? In this ridiculous era of extremely partisan governance, neither party can really afford to lose a member, no matter how "loyal."
     

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