Somali axe man attempts to kill 75 yr old Danish cartoonist for Muhammad cartoon

Hopefully more people will wake up.

 

That statement is based on reality and fact. It's not right for Muslims to intend to hard the cartoonist, but it is the unfortunate reality of Muslims who liev in undereducated environments. I don't think the Muslims in The US or Canada are eager to kill the man, the nutjobs who want to kill them have no basic education and will go to great lengths to protect what they believe. This is very unfortunate but is a sad reality.

The cartoonist should have known that Muslims in Third World countries will be greatly offended. It is freedom of speech I agree, but he should be aware of the consequences. In a logical sense, killing someone over a drawing is just plain foolish, but Muslims who have a lack of education don't understand the comcept of freedom of speech. Again...the reaction and intent of people trying to kill the cartoonist is very unfortunate and wrong...but it's reality.

 

All this is irrelevant. I'm not commenting on the Muslims who want to kill him and whether they wrong, right, purple, green or red. I'm commenting on an educated (assumed) Muslim (again, assumed) on this message board saying it is a "fair" result for the man. Mathloom said, paraphrased, that the man deserves to fear for his life because of his drawing.

Mathloom can't hide behind the third world country nonsense. He's an educated individual with access to the internet that just said it's reasonable that a man should fear for his life because of a drawing. That's shameful.

 

Alright. It certainly is not "fair" and I disagree with him on that. It is unfortunate that the cartoonist has to live like this but he should have saw it coming. No way is it fair but it is reality and he should have thought twice before publishing it.

 

I don't understand why Islam and its merits have even been brought up in this. The issues at hand are A) the cartoonist, while expressing his freedom of speech, is a colossal douche who brought this upon himself and B) the axe man is a bigger douche for trying to end this man's life. I think the fact that this guy has a panic room in his house with an alarm on it speaks loads for the kind of life he must lead. You lie in the bed you make though.

 

Below is a photo I've seen circulating the internet.



The perception out seems to be that if one treats Muslims the same as people of other faiths, even ones from equally poor and undereducated groups like Hindus, that one will suffer negative consequences. Google apparently manually turned this off for "Islam is" because some of the common searches were not complimentary. I don't know of this is because of a specific threat, or irrational fear. But that, apparently, is what happened.

I'm reasonably sure that if the cartoonist has drawn Jesus, Rama, the Peacock Angel, Ahura Mazda, and Buddha having group sex, he wouldn't have had to worry about being murdered. Certainly, there is another way that one could unify this set of people who approve of murder for offense other than Islam. But apparently Islam is the easiest grouping for the average person to see.

One thing I think is that Islam is designed to be so tied up with Arab culture that it can carry some extraneous cultural baggage with it. And like in the USA, there many times people take up Islam as a rallying cry, when they are actually operating from nationalism or other issues.

I guess one of the issues also is a modern media age issue. I know police have problems with internet fraud when the fraudster is in one country, the servers where the fraud take place are in another, and the victim are in a third. How do you figure out the jurisdictions?

Back in the day, if you said something offensive to Islam in Denmark, it stayed in Denmark and nobody paid further attention. If you said something offensive in Saudi Arabia, you were treated to the full punishment of Islamic laws. It is difficult now because you say something in Denmark, and someone in Saudi Arabia hears it and applies his own form of Saudi world view to it. Should Danes really have to spend their time making sure they don't offend someone according to the morals of each and every international culture? That is a difficult issue. And I think if you believe that he was trying to create an international issue, you have to also consider applying the same concerns to the people who took it out of Denmark, translated it to Arabic, and put it in Middle Eastern newspapers. They made sure that the poor and uneducated who might consider killing the man for the offense would see this.

 

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No one is arguing that it is protected or allowed. We know that. I'm just as well aware of law and legislature as you are. Of course it is legal. You said that the Muslim "rules on their prophet are pathetic......so intolerant." Is it really intolerant to not want someone to deface your Prophet? I mean really? You like to speak about tolerance and acceptance, but as far as your statements go, they are the exact opposite. Anyone who tried to harm the cartoonist is a criminal. That is an established fact. However, the cartoonist isn't the standard of what people should be doing either. That's all I am saying.

 

^Wow, I tested it, and that pic is actually real.

Sounds like Islam, or at least its adherents, need to learn a lot about tolerance. Reform is needed.

 

So you think the rules are tolerant? I mean I understand Muslims following the rules on their prophet but to expect others to do the same, is not very tolerant at all.

And then to riot about it, and people die over it, is insane, and honestly not civilized at all.

And that Google image(which is true) is pathetic.......again, Thug tactics and fear.......

DD

 

Yeah you've explained why you have the most freedom (quantity) but not the best freedom of speech (quality).

 

The pic that ottoman posted is true if you type islam is in google you get nothing.

 

I'm sorry you feel that way. Let me re-assure you that I'm not hiding behind any third world crap.

I've read enough about this cartoonist to know that he is a giant douche. That he intended to offend all Muslims and wanted to proclaim "but you can't touch me."

That's fine because, well, that's the law. The cartoonist didn't break the law. That does not mean he is right or deserves any kind of protection.

If me being happy that this guy wasn't killed but will fear for his life bothers you, thats your choice. I'm amused that you call my statement shameful but don't want to acknowledge the shameful behavior of the cartoonist. This despite the guy continuing to be a douchebag and no apology either.

I'm shocked, more than anything else, that no one sees why a Muslim would get bent out of shape because of this cartoonist.

 

We expect others to respect our religion, that's all.

 

Why should anyone respect your religion?

What has Islam done to earn respect?

Why should anyone care about the rules of your religion if they themselves don't believe in it.

You are crazy if you think people should just respect religion because you want them to......amazing....seriously.

DD

 

There you go again. Fallacy after fallacy. You are equating "bent out of shape" with attempted murder, when we are pages ahead of that distinction. Saying you are the Muslim MadMax is giving you far too much credit.

We understand how a muslim could be offended, we are internet people... we understand almost everything, on paper. How that translates to murder, and how the moderate muslim (as you claim to be) attempts to equate hurt feelings with violent actions is the inexplicable part.

 

Which was basically the artist's whole point and is also the essence of free speech.

How is it that you can acknowledge the rule of law and then deny he deserves protection when he didn't break the law?

I'm just speechless here....You acknowledge the rule of law and right to free speech and then say how happy you are that he will fear "for his life." And people wonder why Islam has such a PR problem the world over.

Getting "bent out of shape" is entirely different than trying to murder someone because you don't like what he said.

 

I wonder if the problem is Mathloom, or what Islam teaches that encourages him to think that way.

Because that would mean the problem is not the man, but the religion itself.

DD

 

Uhhh, I condemned the axeman on page 1. So did the Danish Muslim institute or whatever.

How it translates to murder is not inexplicable. It's quite easy. Take a Somali man. Starve his country. Show him that you are willing to spend trillions of dollars elsewhere, but not on him. Allow his country to be torn apart by civil war. Allow his education to slope downward and his poverty upward, ensuring that he will keep company with those who have been down his path. Once they have brainwashed him, put a picture of the Prophet PBUH in front of him. He will kill you.

It's not complicated. It's not right. You must understand and see that we are all saying that his actions are not RIGHT. We are saying that we saw it coming. We've seen it with out own eyes. There are too many Muslims with too little education and too much radical influence for this NOT to happen.

As for my last comment, I was saying that the cartoonist with his douchey 'use' of freedom of speech deserves to need a panic room. I don't believe the man is sincere in anything he does and I believe he is racist and discriminates against immigrants in his country. To me, he does not deserve to die obviously, but the fact that he will live in fear is a kind of sweet justice for his idiotic intentions.

If you're looking for compassion from me, you'll find that I have compassion for the families of the axeman and the cartoonist. I have absolutely no compassion for any of these two guys. To me, they are both trying to create a gap between different groups of people, and that is the worst part about all this. Legal or not, THAT is unacceptable to me.

I'm tired of dancing around the legal issues here. Everyone knows it is legal to make the cartoon and illegal to kill the cartoonist. All I've said in this thread is that the cartoonist deserves to be taught a harsh lesson for prancing around like a fairy on the line between 'hate speech' and 'free speech' and the axeman deserves to go to jail.

Frankly my position wouldn't change unless the cartoonist magically decided to issue an apology or if he was killed without having the chance to apologise. I don't see the point in discussing this anymore.

 

I see the problem here.

For me, legal doesn't necessarily mean right, and illegal doesn't necessarily mean wrong. The law is something I have to follow.

Case in point, I may believe smoking mar1juana in public is not wrong but the law will say it is illegal. Therefore, I will act according to the law but would still believe that the law is 'wrong'.

In the case of the cartoonist, drawing it was legal but not right IMO. This is why there's a discrepancy all over.

 

Lip service. You want the cartoonist to live in fear. That is unbelievable.

The freaking Somali was a guest in Denmark. He lived off of the generosity of Danish people, including the cartoonist, off of Danish taxpayer money. All this stuff you are saying to excuse his actions is a complete joke.

If you want to stop making Islam look bad, stop arguing. Every new post of yours makes Islam look worse.