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Most Pakistanis View US as Biggest Threat -Taliban a Distant Third

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 10, 2009.

  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    I agree. The fact that they want to live in the UK does not take away from the irony of that fact. People are just trying too hard to deflect it. Why are some people scared of being proud of their country?

    I don't agree with about 80% of today's politics on either side, but I'm grateful to live here and could see why others want to.

    At the same time, we have our fingers in way too many other people's pies. I am a strict libertarian and fairly isolationist on foreign policy, yet tend to vote Republican (socially conservative). I can see that world views like the one cited by the OP are a direct result of Republican actions, and that is disgusting. I, like many Americans now, don't really support either party. They don't represent what Americans believe; they represent what special interests believe. It's unfortunate that other countries citizens don't understand the discord that exists between the average US citizen and our stubborn leadership.
     
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  2. Air Langhi

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    I have not been to Pakistan, but I know people from there. There isn't a ton of opportunity there.

    I am from india and I can tell you many of the students there are to trying to come to America.
     
  3. arno_ed

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    I'm not sure other people cannot see the difference. Ofcourse there are always people who do not see the discord. But that also happens with other countries. I have seen enough threads here were people did not make the extinction between the Iran government and the Iranian people.

    However the US does elect their leaders, and especially since Bush was re-elected after he attacked Iraq it does sort of look like the American people supported the attack on Afghanistan and Iraq. but like i said I think most people see the difference between the inhabitants of a country and the Government of that country.

    The reason that there is always a difference between the government and the people of a country is a reason why war is such a terrible thing. Mostly the people of the country suffer, and not the government.
     
  4. arno_ed

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    I understand that for some people there is much more opportunity in other countries. However you cannot say that most people want to move to the US (or another country). The Pakistanis that I know want to live in Pakistan.
     
  5. Air Langhi

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    Fine maybe not most, but I think most of the educated ones do. They think their leadership is corrupt as hell, and driving Pakistan down.
     
  6. weslinder

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    You can't really trust al-Jazeera, but I can't see how anyone should be surprised by this. We've invaded their country. I believe we've done it with "behind-the-curtain" approval from their government, but if I were a Pakistani, I'd be upset. Heck, I'm American and I'm upset. Americans can say all they want about it being uncontrolled territory, but I'd think that most Pakistanis would rather not have America invading any of their territory.
     
  7. CrazyDave

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    Seeing how the Taliban apparently has roots, or at least some method of existing/flourishing in Pakistan, is it amazing to think they would see the US as a bigger threat?

    We are overtly expecting them to help us, or allow us, to bomb people out of their own country. How would we feel if another country tried to do that here? Then there's guilt by association, in which Pakistan helping us or allying with us in any way begets the ire of others in their region.

    Also, what a bland question... "Biggest Threat?" Biggest threat to what? Sovereignty? Existence? Economic?
     
  8. arno_ed

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    I agree that many educated people might want to go to a country with more possibilities, one example of such a country is the US. Corruption is a bad thing. Especially for the well educated people.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    why would Euros feel white guilt?
     
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    http://library.thinkquest.org/13406/ta/2.htm

    And who do you think we sold the plantation crops to? African slavery was far from being exclusive to North America.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    how many decendants of African slaves live in Europe as opposed to the US?
     
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    I have no idea. I do know that the USA banned the importation of African slaves before Sweden, Netherlands, France, Spain, Portugal, (and Brazil).
     
  14. Nice Rollin

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    all those slaves were sent to colonies, the point i'm trying to make is the everyday american black and white lives with the history of slavery and the ramification through that history up until now.

    europeans, not so much
     
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    Well I found an answer to your original question, if you take Wikipedia for a source.

    There are an estimated 8 million black people residing in Europe, or 1.0% of the European population.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africans_in_Europe

    By 2000, the African-American population reached about 36 million and represented 12% of the U.S. population.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

    But it was the European / British companies that controlled and profited the most from the slave trade. The impact is more significant than most realize.
     
  17. Vinsanity

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    Yep. Well said. And the only people who THINK everyone wants to live in the US are those who have never traveled outside of the country, except to Mexico.
     
  18. Vinsanity

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  19. Mr. Clutch

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    Immigration Statistics > New citizenships (most recent) by country

    # 1 United States: 898 thousand
    # 2 Canada: 214.6 thousand
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    Why is that annoying? Glynch is trying to say people hate the US, but statistics show otherwise. It's not close either, although the US is much bigger.
     

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