"Golden State offered ..." by Jay Marioti (Chicago Suntimes writer)

we have to take this deal but only if they will take mo taylor off our hands. then, do whatever we want with thomas (probably trade) and either pick butler or dunleavey with the number three pick.

c-cato, ?(still a bad situation there maybe we pick up someone w the 15)
pf-griffin/jamison/thomas
sf-butler/jamison/rice
sg-mobley/torres (or 15)
pg-francis/moochie

we will be a POWERHOUSE in four positions with a pretty bad center. thats not so bad. i'd rather do that then pick ming.

 

I have doubts about paying Jamison the max. That was Golden State's mistake, do we really want to be on the hook for it? Rice and Mo are our mistakes, but Rice is only on contract for 1 more year after this one, and Mo might not be a mistake after all cause we havn't seen him play since we signed him. Regardless, we'd be trading for a guy who's not worth the max, but we'd have to pay him accordingly. If they threw in Fortson, I'd do the deal, but I don't know otherwise. I think that getting rid of Jamison would be a plus for Golden State, not a minus. They know they signed him to too big of a contract for too long.

However, Jamison does board. The guy can rebound like a mad man, and he's not soft. He's definately a really good player. He could be a top 5 PF in this league if he continues to work.

 

Guys,

Jamison plays just like Sean Marion, he is a monster on the boards, and is a star NBA player, and he is entering his prime years.

If things do not work out with Ming, I would do this deal so fast it would make CD's head spin.

DaDakota

 

Granted Jamison is better than having Rice and Taylor. But Rice comes off the books in 2 years. The question is: is this guy going to help us win? It's been well documented that Jamison is a shoot-first player, much like Mobley and Francis. Fortson would be a better fit on this team, and makes much less money. Really GS doesn't have anyone we need.

 

Wow.

Talent wise, that's a serious offer- I think Jamison is a very good player to move up slots. However, I agree that he's more of a 4 than a 3, and I don't think he and Griff in a tandem have the quickness to play some 3/4 duty-though, if Griffin is as chiseled as ROCKET!!! says he is and would be willing to play there....Griffin, Jamison, Butler or Dunleavy is a talented front line, no doubt. The best thing that could happen would be a bidding war between Chicago, Golden State, and the Clippers, as well as whoever else would potentially enter the fray. I'm sure you could look at parlaying Jamison into someone else as well.

However, I think we'd have to be moving MoT in a deal like this-we can't commit that much $$ to the PF position, especially considering the length of Jamison's contract and such.

On another note, I'm not sure exactly how trading Jamison works-he's already signed his extension, but I don't know the exact date it goes into effect-but I believe he becomes a BYC player the moment the extension takes into effect, and while his salary is high enough that with the right tweaks, it could be worked out, it's not easy. If his extension hasn't/doesn't kick in by draft day, then you can't trade a big salary like Mo or Rice without Golden State throwing something else in.

Gater- I'd pass on it. Sprewell would fit in less than Jamison, the #7 is a worse pick, and I think the Knicks will either have a late lotto, or mid teens pick next year because of the weakness of the East.

 

These are four player and salaries that GS can keep.

A better trade would be for the #3 pick plus GS next year's unconditional first pick. That trade would put the Rockets into the James sweepstakes next year and GS gets their franchise center or point guard.

 

I'm with No Worries, Jamison is a nice player, but the Rockets would be better off with the Warriors unconditional #1 for next year.

Jamison would just be taking minutes away from Griffin.

Better yet, just take the Clips' offer of Odom & picks, maybe they'll throw in Maggette for one of the Rocks' contracts.

Of course, Options #1 - #10 should be hammering out a deal for Yao.

 

I would do this deal in a sec if the talks about Yao dont go as planned. Jamison is a bad ass, and to say that he is just a slight upgrade over Mo Taylor is a joke. Put him at the 4 if you want, and put Griffin at the 3. I think that would work out, Eddie played the 3 some last year and he has a nice jumper.

 

I'm one of the biggest supporters of Ming around, but I would take Antawn + #3 for the #1 in a heartbeat.

I have always liked Jamison, and think he will do very well here. Don't forget, he averaged 25 points and 8.7 rebounds a game just one year ago. He is a huge upgrade over Mo Taylor, who couldn't average 25 points and 8.7 rebounds playing for the Fighting Whites, let alone an NBA team.

As for his max contract, if there's one thing we have to offer, it is players signed to above value contracts. Why couldn't we trade away some of our overpaid players like Cato, Taylor and/or Rice? It would be like killing two birds with one stone.

Yes, Jamison is a 4 and plays better at that position, so if we signed him, the logical thing to do in my mind would be to shift Griffin over to the 3 spot. Is there any reason why this wouldn't work? Why can't Eddie play the 3?

The #3 pick is the dealbreaker. We wouldn't get Ming, but we'd still get someone awesome at the #3 slot.

I'm definititely in the pro-Ming camp, but I have to admit, I like this deal a lot.

 

Why would we have to keep Jamison?

If that trade happens, why not bring in a 3rd team and try to pick up a center & picks? Pick Butler/Dunleavey at #3 and go after ? with Jamison.

Jamison definately has trade value.

 

I live out in SF, and go to Warrior games only when the Rockets or Chucky Brown are playing. Antawn has never blown me away -- he's a nice forward and whatnot, but I don't think he's what we need at all. We have a zillion tweeners in our lineup, and while he may better than our tweeners -- Griffin's future excepted -- he's not our answer as a low-post presence, a money shooter or defensive powerhouse. He's good, but not one of our missing links. He's not in the Karl Malone category (and save your "I hate Karl" stuff for another thread, please...), which is what we would need if we try to fuse together our needs into one monster player. One moster player who does not exist in the league at this point. Elton Brand maybe...

I think we could do better in a trade, not because Antawn does not have major upside and potential and blah blah blah, but because we dont need any more specialized All Star Ballot players to build around. We have more than we need as it is.

A weird-ass center + a defensive-minded and offensively capable SF is what we need. We should not try to dilly-dally around it by adding players with big names (and contracts).

Think in terms of facilitating chemistry.

(In-Fact-Maybe-We-Should-Seriously-Consider-Trading-Cuttino-Because paragraph deleted because Heypartner and Heyschweetie came to the Banana Blender Surprise show at the Continental Club this past weekend. Thanks guys. Please forgive my chronically mixed feelings on Mobley...)

Go Cuttino!

CBFC

 

and that was while he was playing the 4 with Fortson out (so, obviously he can play there)...Jamison, aside from his rookie year in which he averaged 9 and 6 has averaged 21 and 8 over the past 3 years. He is certainly head and shoulders about ANY PF we have. If defense is such a problem for Jamison, then Eddie will guard opposing 4's.

And another thing...we could end up getting Jamison and the 3 for the 1 and salary...and THEN trade the 3 and salary for a player and a pick...there are so many things we can do if Ming doesnt work out. Its not a bad problem to have!

 

Bottom Line, the Rockets will not have that many options.

They are spending 10 DAYS IN CHINA. That is a long time to bond with their counterparts. Even if they do not get all their sign letters, they will have to SHOW FACE that they will pick Ming #1, or China will be pissed. Probably a public announcement a week before the draft.

How will all of that effect trading the pick?

I doubt China would let Ming play for the Rockets, if the Rockets were to trade down with Golden State and pick up Ming at #3. Alot of teams will be scared to deal with China, if Ming slips.

My favorite scenario (if we pick Ming) is to get compensation from Chicago, for not trading the pick. Maybe KT, drew obligation, #15 (?) to Chicago for Eddie Curry, if we do not select Williams. (in my dreams)

 

Maybe we can send Jamison to Dallas somehow. Mark Cuban loves overpaid players. I know the Knicks would like to take him off our hands. Sprewell for Jamison?

New York gets:
Antawn Jamison
#15 pick

Houston gets:
#3 pick
Latrell Sprewell

Golden State gets:
Mo Taylor
Glen Rice
#1 overall

 

They are spending 10 days in China? That is a very long time, I thought it would be 3-4 days at the most.

 

The only way I do this deal is if GS takes Mo and Moochie to offset Jamison's huge contract. IMO Tierre Brown can pick up the slack for Moochie. Cato is our only hope at center if the Yao talks fail and Rice's contract will be a major benefit when it comes off the books. With a deal like this anything less than us giving up some longterm, high dollar contracts will only hinder the Rockets manuverability in the years to come. While it is important to look at the present, it is equally important to try and plan for the future.

 

<b>HOLD ON HERE</b>

Antawn Jamison is not making $10m!!

He is still on his Rookie Scale, 4th year. His raise does not take effect until July 1st, after the draft. Thus, we could not trade Mo or Rice for him, much less both.

http://www.realgm.com/src_transactions0001.php

Here is Larry Coon's FAQ on Raises:

 

So it is July 1-that means no BYC complications.

I suppose hypothetically, you'd want Foyle (who is basically what we'd hope Cato to become at about 2 mill per year less) tagged with a rookie scale Jamison in exchange for your bad contract of Taylor or Rice or Cato. If you want to get more creative, you could also arrange a Cato for Dampier swap, etc. etc.

If Jamison wasn't BYC on July 1, and you wanted to get creative, you could trade 1/etc. for 3/Jamison/etc., and then during the free agency period, sign and trade Jamison (alone, not in tandem with anyone else) for a player making around the max...like Rasheed Wallace.

 

The Rockets were talking about running a frontline of Mo and Griffin since both can switch and play offense and defense at the SF/PF spots. A Jamison/Griffin frontline would work the same way and would be a MAJOR upgrade over Mo and Griffin.

 

I'd rather Richardson over Jamison, then play him at SF...