Leave it to the current leader of the Republican Party to bring some level-headed perspective to all this... <object width="320" height="260"><param name="src" value="http://mediamatters.org/static/flash/mediaplayer316.swf"></param><param name="flashvars" value="config=http://mediamatters.org/embed/cfg%3Fflv%3Dhttp://mediamatters.org/static/video/2009/02/19/limbaugh-20090219-muslimguy.flv"></param><embed src="http://mediamatters.org/static/flash/mediaplayer316.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" flashvars="config=http://mediamatters.org/embed/cfg%3Fflv%3Dhttp://mediamatters.org/static/video/2009/02/19/limbaugh-20090219-muslimguy.flv" width="320" height="260"></embed></object> For those too lazy to watch, he compares Liberals to rapists, murderers, and "that Muslim guy who offed his wife's head."
DaDakota, last time you asked someone to explain these verses for you from a Muslim perspective (http://board.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=160037&page=2&pp=20). You didn't reply. You can choose to continue to believe in this story if you want, but hopefully you're doing so from an informed perspective and not just trying to criticize Islam for the sake of criticism. The suggestion that Muhammad was inspired by Satan is something I take very seriously as a Muslim, and I think your cute little smiley faces are inappropriate. Also, you've done this a few times, the word is spelled "verses" as opposed to "versus"
this whole noise about the first world countries being so peaceful and civilized is absolute garbage and nonsense the first world countries have commited more crimes slaughters and state terrorism than the entire third world combined. so give me a damn break! its soooooo funny how people use statistics in EVERYTHING to justify there opinions and policies EXCEPT in politics, where its convenient to ignore the facts based on what case u wanna make "oh we invaded iraq and caused a death of a quarter million people cause we freedom lovers"----there is always a damn excuse for empire its white mans burden all over again just under the camouflage of secular politics
I change my mind on stuff all the time, just not religion. I am certainly not going to change my mind about Islam and my belief that it was written or rather spoken by a man hungry for power, who basically said he was talking to some mythological angel named Gabriel. And then his story and tenor of his talks changed as he grew in stature and power, not sure why God's word would change because a man's life changed.... My cute little smiley faces are inappropriate - I think getting pissed off about a cartoon depicting Mohammed and people getting killed over it is much more inappropriate, don't you? Suffice it to say, I do not believe in ANY religion and am sick of people fighting for centuries over whom is more right in their beliefs. DD
yes i also think that's inappropriate. what does that have to do with what i said? believe in/don't believe in what you want, just please be respectful of others' beliefs and don't make statements about those beliefs unless you've done your homework. isn't patronizing religion as a whole with the tone of your posts the same as different religious groups patronizing each other? be a part of the solution.
DaDa you have to understand that all these f****** idiots are a mennace to Islam and makes 92% of the muslim population angry for making them look bad. Btw, i haven't forgiven you for not doing anything for the thing i requested you on spurstalk.com don't say my ID on there though.
It is highly likely that his world view, which in most Islamic nations would be that he "owns" his wife, had something to do with it yes. He does live here so it could be that he is just crazy?? I think he's crazy either way.
The problem with this logic is that you are saying since we hear a lot about terrorism in the name of Islam then every act of violence committed by a Muslim is about Islam. You are also employing circular logic to by saying a Muslim committed a violent action so therefore Islam is violent. This would be akin to me starting a TV show on local Minnesota TV about how open minded people from Texas are since Minnesotans have been hearing a lot about racist incidents in Texas. Now lets say I get into a fight with a black guy here. Would it be fair then for Minnesotans to conclude well him being a Texan has to do something with it since he was trying to do a show about how tolerant Texans are but here he is brawling with a black guy? That would be ironic but at the sametime without knowing anything more than that very well might not be the case at all. There could be tons of reasons that have nothing to do with racism. The problem with this situation is that while yes it is ironic and yes there is the possibility that Islam has something to do with it you are jumping to a conclusion based on a very limited set of facts. I will agree it might be the right conclusion but without knowing more there is no way to determine that. Also as I said in my earlier post why I caution against drawing such a conclusion without sufficient basis is that much of our conflict with the Islamic world is driven by misperceptions and the more we are willing to presume the worst of each other the more elusive peace is. Jumping to the conclusion that Islam was the motivation for this crime is pretty much the same as this <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gTDhgR3p12w&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gTDhgR3p12w&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
This guy was married twice before, those women left him because he beat the crap out of them (character issues anyone?). Also, I'm sure the guy understood the stigma currently in the Western world about cutting off a person's head, he displayed this by friggin bragging about it to the police. Last thing, have to say, you sound very informed about "Islamic nations", good work!
What is the population of Muslims in the world? I'm thinking in 1999 it was around 1.2 Billion. 1.2 X .08 is like 96 million people that don't think this is bad. That scares me.
I'm sorry, that was rude of me. It’s just that I don’t think the guy who posted those percentages meant for you to take them factually. I assume he just meant to show that it’s a small minority of people. Also your comment “which in most Islamic nations would be that he "owns" his wife” is quite funny to me...”most Islamic nations” as you put it, consists of many different countries with very different practices, you’ve lumped them all together...quite an unfounded claim, don’t you think?
No, that's not what I concluded. Yes, it would merit at least a mention, especially if the fight itself were particularly violent. Not just a 'normal' altercation, if there is such a thing, but something more extreme. I would call your entire credibility/stance into account if you beat him up, called him the N-word, and tied a noose around his neck when you were done, and I think a person would be foolish to sit there and say "well, let's just see if it has anything to do with racism because we just don't know yet." I agree, but that's not what I was ever arguing. All I said in this regard is that it is a relevant argument.
I was reading an article on this and it stated that the wife, not the husband, was the one behind the Bridge TV idea, and the husband more or less wanted to piggyback on her success. This seems to take the "founder of Muslim tv station" out of the equation here, since the entrepreneur here and the founder was the murdered wife, not the crazed husband. The husband also has a long history of domestic violence and was married twice before and was repeatedly accused of beating all his wives. It is seeming more and more like a pattern of violent behavior by this guy that fits the profile for any other one of thousands of abusive men in our society, and tragically the women in the case seem to have put up with it for too long until it was too late. The 'beheading' is the one factor that might raise some questions about the man. The fact that he turned himself in and is now on suicide watch tells me the guy is truly a psychopath.
