Obama's spiritual advisor: America's founding fathers were white supremacists

I haven't forgotten who is running for President and neither will a lot of people. Obama's small town America clinging to guns and religion comment shows that he shares the same condescending racist views as his Pastor.

 

Who are you to judge who believes in Jesus. The man is a Pastor, and you may not like some of his sermons, but you have no idea, and no place to claim he's only pretending to believe in Jesus.

 

What is racist about that?

Obama's comments about the bitterness is accurate.

 

Umm...does anyone here actually want to contend that a good chunk of the FF were in fact racist/sexist individuals?

Those were different times, where being a European 'supremacist' was widely accepted and even celebrated. Whites of that era did believe that they were the 'superior' race and then went about systematically subjugating the 'lesser' races to institutionalize Europeans as the 'master' race. It was a matter of policy, not just rhetoric.

Is anyone here actually contending that historical fact? Wright may not be PC, but I would have a hard time rebutting him on this one. Where I draw the line is when he belittles any race/ethnic group in the present tense, but as long as he confines his commentary to the archives of history, I have no problem with what he says. You could say it's in 'bad taste' but that's about all.

 

Wright is his former advisor because he became controversial, period. How else could you reasonably explain the timing of Wright's dismissal from Obama's campaign?

Wright did not say that white supremcy was in the DNA of the republic, he states that it is in the DNA of the republic (as in present tense). Wright believes that the white man (to be read all white men) are out to get African Americans at each and every turn. If he really spoke his true feelings, it would probably border on sedition.

 

there is another explanation. Obama hadn't heard comments as divisive as those until it was brought to his attention. Looking at Wright's other sermons, they certainly don't seem to be the kind of sermons he was giving weekly. I also disagree, based on other messages from Wright, that he believes all white men are out to get African Americans at every turn.

But either way, Wright isn't running for any office, and Wright is no longer part of Obama's campaign.

 

Guess what? He's right.

The founding fathers of this country were all weathy upper middle class white men. Many of them were slave owners.

Very few people outthink their time in history. The founding of the United States happened in a period when white supremacy was a well-accepted idea among white Americans.

The founding fathers were white supremaciests, but that does not make them less greater men in our hisotry.

 

I'm surprised the repubs are firing off the Wright cannons so early instead of holding them until the election. Obama probably has this wrapped up already so why waste legitimate issues before the general?

 

Good on you for bringing all the dirt on Obama; it clearly shows that most of you are more concerned about bringing up dirt then taking an hour out of your lives to making well-reasoned arguments against Obama's policies. But in doing so, you forget one thing; politics is a two-way street. And dirt sticks everywhere, regardless of where the wind is blowing.

 

Because making racist sermons under the guise of the Christian faith is something Jesus would approve.

 

THE SMOKING GUN

Goodnight, SNOBAMA
Goodnight, O'Bitter
Goodnight, Bigot Obama
Goodnight, White vote
Goodnight, Jewish vote
oh and by the way, Batman Jones, this proves you to be a liar -- O'Bigot KNEW about Wright's controversial statements well before this became an issue a month ago.

Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division
Jim Davis
Thursday, Aug 9, 2007
Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."


In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22.


Obama has spoken and written of his special relationship with that pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.


The connection between the two goes back to Obama's days as a young community organizer in Chicago's South Side when he first met the charismatic Wright. Obama credited Wright with converting him, then a religious skeptic, to Christianity. [Editor's Note: Can Oprah Winfrey make Barack Obama president? Click Here.]


"It was ... at Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago that I met Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who took me on another journey and introduced me to a man named Jesus Christ. It was the best education I ever had," Obama described his spiritual pilgrimage to a group of church ministers this past June.


Since the 1980s, Obama has not only remained a regular attendee at Wright's services in his inner city mega church, Trinity United Church of Christ, along with its other 8,500 members, he's been a close disciple and personal friend of Wright.


Wright conducted Obama's marriage to his wife Michelle, baptized his two daughters, and blessed Obama's Chicago home. Obama's best-selling book, "The Audacity of Hope," takes its title from one of Wright's sermons.

Because of this close relationship, questions have been raised as to the influence the divisive pastor will have on the consensus-building potential president.


Obama and Wright appear, at first blush, an unlikely pair. Wright is Chicago's version of the Rev. Al Sharpton.


It was no surprise that Sharpton recently announced that with Wright's backing, he was setting up a chapter of his New York-based National Action Network in Chicagoland. The chapter will be headed by Wright's daughter, Jeri Wright.


Minister of Controversy


Obama was not the only national African-American figure to cozy up to Wright. TV host Oprah Winfrey once described herself as a congregant, but in recent years has disassociated herself from the controversial minister.



A visit to Wright's Trinity United is anything but Oprah-style friendly.



As I approached the entrance of the church before a recent Sunday service, a large young man in an expensive suit stepped out to block the doorway.


"What are you doing here?" he asked.


"I came to hear Dr. Wright," I replied.

After an uncomfortable pause, the gentleman stepped aside.

On this particular July Sabbath morning, only a handful of white men — aside from a few members of Obama's Secret Service detail — were present among a congregation of approximately 2,500 people.

The floral arrangements were extravagant. Wright, his associate pastors, choir members, and many of the gentlemen in the congregation were attired in traditional African dashiki robes. African drums accompanied the organist.

Trinity United bears the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian."

Wright says its doctrine reflects black liberation theology, which views the Bible in part as a record of the struggles of "people of color" against oppression.


A skilled and fiery orator, Wright's interpretation of the Scriptures has been described as "Afrocentric."

When referring to the Romans, for example, he refers to "European oppression" — not addressing the fact that the Egyptians, who were also a slave society, were people of Africa.

The Trinity United Web site tells of a "commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic, pledge to make all the fruits of developing acquired skills available to the black community."

"Some white people hear it as racism in reverse," Dwight Hopkins, a professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School, a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ, tells The New York Times. Blacks tend to hear a different message, Hopkins says: "Yes, we are somebody; we're also made in God's image."

Controversy Abounds


Several prior remarks by Obama's pastor have caught the media's attention:

Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.


Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."

Wright on Israel: "The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."


Wright on America: He has used the term "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America."

Bush's Bulls--t

Wright's strong sentiments were echoed in the Sunday morning service attended by NewsMax.

Wright laced into America's establishment, blaming the "white arrogance" of America's Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the "United States of White America." Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.


The sermon also addressed the Iraq war, a frequent area of Wright's fulminations.

"Young African-American men," Wright thundered, were "dying for nothing." The "illegal war," he shouted, was "based on Bush's lies" and is being "fought for oil money."

In a sermon filled with profanity, Wright also blamed the war on "Bush administration bulls--t."

Those are the types of statements that have led to MSNBC's Tucker Carlson describing Wright as "a full-blown hater."

Wright first came to national attention in 1984, when he visited Castro's Cuba and Col. Muammar Gaddafi's Libya.

Wright's Libyan visit came three years after a pair of Libyan fighter jets fired on American aircraft over international waters in the Mediterranean Sea, and four years before the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland — which resulted in the deaths of 259 passengers and crew. The U.S. implicated Gaddafi and his intelligence services in the bombing.

In recent years, Wright has focused his diatribe on America's war on terror and the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

For a February 2003 service, Wright placed a "War on Iraq IQ Test" on the Pastor's Page of the church Web site. The test consisted of a series of questions and answers that clearly portrayed America as the aggressor, and the war as unjustified and illegal. Marginally relevant issues regarding Israel received attention.

The test also portrayed the Iraqi people as victims of trade sanctions, but Saddam Hussein's propensity for using "oil for food" proceeds to build palaces rather than buy medicine was never mentioned.

At the end of the test, the pastor wrote, "Members of Trinity are asked to think about these things and be prayerful as we sift through the ‘hype' being poured on by the George Bush-controlled media." Obama's campaign staff did not respond to a NewsMax request for the senator's response to Wright's statements.

In April, however, Obama spoke to The New York Times about Wright, and appeared to be trying to distance himself from his spiritual mentor. He said, "We don't agree on everything. I've never had a thorough conversation with him about all aspects of politics."

More specifically, Obama told the Times, "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," adding "It sounds like [Wright] was trying to be provocative."

Obama attributed Wright's controversial views to Wright being "a child of the '60s" who Obama said "expresses himself in that language of concern with institutional racism, and the struggles the African-American community has gone through."

"It is hard to imagine, though, how Mr. Obama can truly distance himself from Mr. Wright," writes Jodi Kantor of The New York Times. On the day Sen. Obama announced his presidential quest in February of this year, Wright was set to give the invocation at the Springfield, Ill. rally. At the last moment, Obama's campaign yanked the invite to Wright.

Wright's camp was apparently upset by the slight, and Obama's campaign quickly issued a statement "Senator Obama is proud of his pastor and his church."

Since that spat, there is little evidence, indeed, that Sen. Obama has sought to distance himself from the angry Church leader. In June, when Obama appeared before a conference of ministers from his religious denomination, Wright appeared in a videotaped introduction.

One of Obama's campaign themes has been his claim that conservative evangelicals have "hijacked" Christianity, ignoring issues like poverty, AIDS, and racism.

This past June, in an effort to build a new consensus between his new politics and faith, Obama's campaign launched a new Web page, www.faith.barackobama.com.

On the day the page appeared on his campaign site, it offered testimonials from Wright and two other ministers supporting Obama. The inclusion of Wright drew a sharp rebuke from the Catholic League. Noting that Obama had rescinded Wright's invitation to speak at his announcement ceremony, Catholic League President Bill Donohue declared that Obama "knew that his spiritual adviser was so divisive that he would cloud the ceremonies."


He noted that Wright "has a record of giving racially inflammatory sermons and has even said that Zionism has an element of ‘white racism.' He also blamed the attacks of 9/11 on American foreign policy."

Donohue acknowledged that Obama may have different views than Wright and the other ministers on his Web site, but "he is responsible for giving them the opportunity to prominently display their testimonials on his religious outreach Web site."

Political pundits have suggested that Obama's problems with Wright are not ones based on faith, but pure politics. The upstart presidential candidate needs to pull most of the black vote to have any chance of snagging the Democratic nomination. Obama's ties to Wright and the activist African American church helps in that effort.

But the same experts same those same ties may come to haunt him if he were to win the nomination and face a Republican in the general election.

The worry is not lost on Wright.

"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Wright told The New York Times with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said 'yeah, that might have to happen.'"

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml

 

Obama already said he heard Wright make controversial statements that he disagreed with. He wasn't present when the ones on youtube were made.

Also those statements you bolded are largely correct, and even when I don't believe they are correct certainly aren't particularly offensive.

 

One of the ideas in Christianity is that everyone does things Jesus wouldn't approve of. Another is that we aren't in a position to judge who is a true believer and who isn't.

It's not our job, or position to do so.

Despite this I'm not about to say that you are only pretending to believe in Jesus.

 

It's our job to judge who we are going to vote for President of the United States. In doing so, we have to factor many things. This is just one of them. What Obama believes in, who he associates himself with, why he does things, what makes him tick. The American people have EVERY right to Judge the man who will be the next leader of the Free World.

 

I agree with you but I'm not the one preaching HATE and Fear like Wright is under the guise of Christianity. I'm sure Jesus forgives all, but I'm also sure Jesus didn't intend his teachings to be taken to the extreme like Wright is doing.

 

I'm not white and I find this very offensive

blaming the "white arrogance" of America's Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the "United States of White America." Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.

 

Sounds good to me. moving on....

 

If the journey ended with introducing Barack, in his late 20's, to Jesus, then good. But the sad reality is that Wright also introduced Barack to racism, hatred, being ashamed to be an American, bigotry, and anti-semitism. That is unacceptable under any circumstance.

 

...I sincerely hope the election differentiates between those who grasp the issues and those who grasp character flaws. If I sound like a jacka** about the issues, it's because I'm sincerely frustrated about how ALL political parties EVERYWHERE are more about smearing dirt then arguing about the issues. Now, I'm not idealistc enough to assume that someday, no candidate will go below the belt, but seriously, if one more election gets driven by character attacks I will literally go berserk.

With that said, come off it, none of you guys are REALLY offended. Or at least I hope you aren't (I can't visualize anyone on this forum being that sheltered Flanderish persona...)

 

Has Obama made any statement that he condones or agrees with any of those things?

a link would be great!