O, and BTW, IMHO, shah was a ********** too .IRAN has'nt had a real leader since shah's father who tried valiantly to cut off the greedy hands of the british empier off iran's resources. but now we have the mollahs sending our countries reesources to terrorist organisations. again, the majority people i have spoken to in iran, they are well and truly sick of religious fanatics dictating there everyday lives.
And i cant Blame them. after 27 years of telling them, how to eat, what to eat, what to listen to and what to wear. after a while, it can get on you're nerves. most people in iran are more western then more Western nations. most of the youths listen to rap, hippop and have in house parties. but if they get caught, a public flogging awaits them.
Kingdom Warns Against Linking Islam With Fascism P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News http://arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=80853&d=15&m=8&y=2006 JEDDAH, 15 August 2006 — Saudi Arabia yesterday warned against linking Muslims with terrorism and fascism without considering the history of Islamic civilization. Referring to a recent statement by US President George W. Bush branding Muslim extremists as “Islamic fascists,” the Council of Ministers said terrorism has no religion or nationality. “What Islam is accused of today is a Western cultural product like fascism,” the Saudi Press Agency quoted the Cabinet as saying. The Kingdom also told Israel and its supporters that war and aggression were not the solution to the Middle East crisis. It also urged steps to overcome ideological differences in Muslim countries that have been exploited by enemies to create division and gain dominance. “The destructive Israeli aggression on Lebanon and the malicious violations committed by the Israeli government in the Palestinian territories prove that the solution to the region’s problems cannot be found in wars and aggression,” the Council of Ministers said in a statement after its weekly meeting. The Cabinet meeting, chaired by Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah, emphasized that Israel would fail to find a solution through war “whatever be the strength of its military machinery and whatever support it receives in terms of weapons and finance and at international forums.” The Kingdom reiterated its call for the establishment of an international counterterrorism center to fight global terrorism. King Abdullah proposed the formation of the center while opening an anti-terror conference in Riyadh last year to exchange information and promote cooperation against terror. Earlier, the king briefed the ministers on the outcome of his historic visit to Turkey where he met with President Ahmet Sezer, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and other senior officials and discussed major regional issues such as Iraq and Lebanon. Culture and Information Minister Iyad Madani said the Cabinet emphasized the importance of strategic Saudi-Turkish relations as the two countries have moderate views and pursue good relations with world powers. “They are also against attempts to create divisions in the region,” the Cabinet said. The Cabinet meeting stressed the need for overcoming ideological differences in the region and warned that actions outside national legitimacy would spread violence in the region. “This will give (enemies) who wait for an opportunity to implement their plans for division, destruction and dominance.” Madani said the Cabinet also took a number of decisions to promote political and economic cooperation with other countries. It approved alteration to the first paragraph of Article Three of the Bilateral Aviation Agreement with the UAE. “Both parties can appoint one or more air carriers to operate on the routes agreed upon,” the altered article said. The Cabinet authorized Amr Al-Dabbagh, governor of Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority (SAGIA) or his deputy to sign an agreement with Uzbekistan for investment promotion and protection. The meeting also reviewed progress of work in 63 projects to establish technical institutes and vocational training centers in various regions. King Abdullah urged authorities to complete the projects as quickly as possible.
You know, I think Bush saying "Islamic Facism" may actually turn out to be a good thing (unwittingly on his part of course). Now you have many Muslims taking offense at this. Good! Maybe finally they will start to care about what these extremists are doing to the perception of Islam...and realize that perception is everything. Maybe it will actually get moderate Muslims to act. Of course it doesn't help when we do things like invade Iraq or let Israel attack Lebanon. But maybe when we get this clown out of office and those kinds of things stop, we have a chance....
No, all this does is revalidate the suspicions by some in the "Muslim world" that this is actually a war against Islam, no distinctions made. Moderate Muslims do act - it's just that noone gives a damn. All this does is further alienates Muslims and may cause them to empthaize with the extremists.
The reactions by some from the Muslim community when the police caught the terror plotters in London was shameful. Instead of commending the police for their great job and condemning the planned actions, they would say "I don't believe these nice boys can possibly have anything to do with anything like that", etc.
Likewise, the reaction from the mother of Eric Rudolph -- the Christo-fascist, terrorist, and serial bomber who is linked to Atlanta Olympic Park and a string of abortion clinic bombings -- to her son's confession was similarly predictable: "I think each man is destined in life to fulfill whatever he's called to do ... I don't see him as a monster. I don't think I could."
Mubarak, Abdullah and Sezer have a more immedite threat from Islamic extremist than the US or Israel. Their countries are at a very real risk of revolution. I'm sure they want to tone down the rhetoric that makes them a target from both sides. So, I don't think they will be jumping on the jihad terror train any time soon. I guess fascism is a Western cultural product, it was just exported to Nassar and Ataturk. The Eastern version, a fuedelistic Caliphate, has no moral high ground on it though. (fuedelistic caliphate expialidocious)
I disagree that these things are comparable. I can see how a mother, while condemning the actions of her son, could never see her own son as a monster. However, many reactions from the Muslim community are sheer denial - and attempts to place the blame on others. I also vividly remember how some Muslims in Denmark celebrated after 9/11.
I don't see why they are different. Reacting shockingly is a typical response from most family members and close friends when they are confronted by the revelation that the someone they've known so well would commit something "unthinkable." It is also natural for them to find excuses in attempt to exonerate (in vain) the alleged perpetrator or alleviate the seriousness of the conduct. The plotters are marginalized just as many other peaceful Muslim memebers are in the British society, the close-knit relationship due to the harsh reality shouldn't come off as a surprise. We see all too often in every day media report whenever an alleged bad guy is caught in a crime pursuit, there are inevitably people close to him coming to his defense in various interviews. I am not sure if you are suggesting these Muslims are typical of all Muslims worldwide, but it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Still, there's a big difference between celebrating and plotting and supporting. I don't see anything wrong with the term Islamic Fascists though. It's no different between German Facist or Christian Zealots, or anything else. The Term Islamic Fascists doesn't mean that Islam is Fascist, it's just saying theres a bunch of Muslims out there that are Fascist. Let's see..... Osama Bin Laden. Is he part of Islam? Yes. Is he Fascist? Yes. Therefore, Osama Bin Laden is an Islamic Fascist. The real problem is that you're right - muslims don't want to accept that people like Bin Laden are on the level of Hitler. They have the veil still pulled over thier eyes...that's why the term Islamic Fascists is offensive. Well, I think it's time they stop living in denial and accept that their religion IS being hijacked and they aren't doing enough to stop it. Imagine if a movement developed within Islam to rid itself of these "Fascists"...I think that would do a lot to change the perception of Islam in the world.
How is that any different than the reaction of anyone when someone they know is found guilty of committing a heinous crime?
