Israel is an International Pariah - Refuses to listen to the UN

Do you know the history of the state of Israel? First off, Palestinians started the conflict between them and the Jews in the 1920's, when they at the time, were living side by side in the British ruled Palestine. The British backed Palestinian efforts to limit Jewish migration and did not attemt to protect Jews from the attacks. The conflict escalated by 1947-48, after World War II and the ceasing of British Rule, with repeated bombings against Jews, including two paticullary important bus bombings, they collectively retaliated, with no backing from anyone, and kicked the Collective Middle East's Ass in a war where they were out gunned (actual guns, tanks, plains, navy, etc.) 30:1.

A few points of interest:
In 1921 there were 500,000+ Arab Paletinians in this region and 83,000 Jews.

It was estimted that the Jews would be obliterated in two weeks.

Jews actually fielded a larger army because of a united front, they grew from 50K to 120K in 6 months.

In the end the Palestinians fled!

Now, who needs to be freed? Who is going to get swallowed up when they aren't backed by the US? I can loosely equate this to the plight of the Indians but in reverse, the indians outnumbered and againt all odds unite and kick the sh** out of the US Army.

With all this being said I sure do hope you are Palestinian with a zealous cultural belief system that keeps you from giving into the facts, that is admirable, but if you are not please don't bore us with unfound and uneducated comments like this.

 

You've given the Jewish perspective....funny how history books differ from one another.

 

So from your "perspective", the Jews aren't giving back land they won in a defensive war?

 

Just curious as to why the Arab nations tell the poorest Arabs to move into Israel and essentially Arabizing Israel... That's how they did it the first time, and I have no doubts they can do it again.

 

Actually the Zionist movement started well before the 1920's and they'd been lobbying England for a state of their own for quite some time. There were quite a bit of shenanigans involved in the the evolution of Israel within Palestine so your history is rather incomplete.

 

not my "perspective"


http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/summary.html



read it and learn, there are two sides to the story...as there always is.

 

Not much of a surprise that the entire ME is repulsed...didn't most of the ME attempt to destroy Israel?

As for the others, I never said other countries don't take issue with Israel, but International pariah? What nations do not have normal diplomatic or business relationships with Israel? Yet the Palestinian non-nation that you argue will never be measured by as strict criteria somehow managed to have severe penalties assessed against it.

I would like to see peace in the region, and to do so both sides must realize how wrong they both are. Starting threads trying to ostracize one or the other or spew hatred is unhelpful. They are all children of Abraham. Time for the cousins to work it out and stop torturing the rest of the world. http://www.children-of-abraham.org/en/about/history.php

 

i love how certain people here on this board are blaming the victims...if you guys are gonna blame the palestinians you might as well blame blacks for slavery and justify it by saying a few of them were active in the slave trade

in the end, the racist israeli regime is just a more brutal version of the apartheid regime in south africa, and it's no wonder that apartheid south africa and racist israel enjoyed cordial relations and the government of the u.s. was/is a big supporter of both

 

Ok.. so what part of josh's post was wrong? He wrote in response to UTKaluman's wishful thinking for a complete obliteration of Israel. According to this website, UTNaziman's ideal lead to the defeat of the Arab armies in 1967.

Ofcourse there are going to be multiple perspectives and the solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict won't happen until BOTH sides make some sacrifices.

I am jewish, but have no plans to move to Israel. I have argued for and against Israel on multiple occassions and many topics. My Israeli friends refer to the UN as the United Nazis. This is due to the fact that they spend more time ragging on Israel than actually dealing with the true problems behind the refugee situation. Why does the Arab world only blame Israel for the refugee situation when a combination of arab lack of aid and corrupt leadership(care to research how much Arafat was worth) are a huge cause of the palestinian plight.

By electing Hamas into power, the Palestinians were calling for an end to Fatah and a group that has proven that its not afraid to stir things up with Israel. By refusing to hand Shalit over, Hamas knows its starting a war. Cause and effect. If a war breaks out, im very scared of the outcome.

 

Did the various African, Asian, and European nations try to destroy Israel as well?

As for the Arab-Israeli conflicts, they were pretty much limited to Israel's technologically inept neighbors (Egyptian and Syrian soldiers made up the vast majority of the Arab troops, throw a few Jordanians in there). The great myth has always been that it was somehow the entire collective military force of the Arab world against the tiny Jewish state; that never was true and is historically inaccurate. Moreover, the Israelis have always enjoyed a much more modern force than any of their Arab neighbors. In modern warfare, technological supremacy is what counts. The Europeans who landed on the shores of America managed to slowly wipe out the Natives despite being outnumbered in the vast majority of those battles; the British nearly ruled the world despite the fact that they were a small island...countless other examples could be used.

Agreed, no argument there.

Again, you won't get an argument from me here.

 

In other words, you're saying both sides are f***ed up and aren't really after peace, despite their rhetoric to the contrary?

Sorry for the language, I am just really pissed off at the Semites right now...

 

From my point of view, I think one side has made more sacrifices than the other. These sacrifices are seen as "not enough." It's like going to a car salesman, telling him to work on the finances and he comes back and gives you the exact same figures over and over again. One side is used by its neighbors as a pawn to drive out "infidels."

I hope to god that Hamas hands back Shalit. I think that some palestinian prisoners will be handed back following that act. However, if Shalit is harmed/killed, expect all hell to break loose.

I don't blame you for being pissed. There are terrorist organizations that want to strike Israel's allies for supporting Israel.

 

Weren't Egypt, Syria and Jordan all in full war mode? And what difference does their technological competence have to do with the issue at hand, do you take personal offense that they were beaten?

 

Israel's very exhistence is what really pisses off the world community. They would love to see it obliterated. And the world community has also bought into the myth of Arab victimization.

 

Would this be the same world community that helped organize the existence of Israe?

What do you mean by bought into the Arab victimization? What are you referring to?

Are you talking about the fact that Israel discriminates based not on security needs at times but purely on nationality? Certainly that does happen and has been part of Israeli law.

Do you mean that Zionists occupied and wiped out Arab villages even prior to the formation of Israel in 1948? That happened as well.

Those are surely tragedies against a certain group of people. I have never heard it called Arab Victimization.

Or are you of the opinion that since Israel suffers from terrorist attacks they can do no wrong?

 

FranchiseBlade,

All I have to say is what happened, happened in the past. Israel and the Palestinians have 2 choices. A) Forgive all that has happened in previous generations and find some sort of middle ground or B) Let war decide.

We both know that a large majority of the arab world does not recognize Israel's right to exist, even though their governments may say otherwise. Do not get me wrong, it is a sad situaton for the palestinians. They have been through more tragedy than most cultures in the past 60 years. Israel should not give into terrorism though. A soldier has been taken hostage by an enemy and this an act of war.

Stay tuned....

 

The world community of 1948 is not the world community of 2006.

The Palestinians kidnap Israelis and then b**** when the Israelis don't like it. Quit yer b****in Ali and put away that suicide bomb belt.

 

Sorry for the confusion. You claimed that "most of the Middle East" attempted to destroy Israel, I was replying to that statement.

Oh and not to nitpick, but I wouldn't call the 1973 war a 'defeat'. If anything, it proved to be a strategic and moral victory for the Egyptians...it's still a widely celebrated victory in Egypt today.

 

I am not in any way defending the hostage taking of the soldier, and I agree with you that both sides need to move on from the past. Though Israel does still have laws based solely on nationality and not their own security. They are illegally occupying land, and oppressing a people.

None of that excuses terrorism by anyone. There is no justification for that, and the terrorists should be held responsible.

At the same time none of this changes the fact that far more Palestinian citizens have been killed than Israeli civilians. Palestinians are prevented from being self sufficient. Resentment on both sides is understandable, but neither justified nor helpful.