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Bush Administration OKs United Arab Emirates Company to Handle US Port Operations

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gifford1967, Feb 17, 2006.

  1. calurker

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/

     
  2. Sishir Chang

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    Except that they are still bound by US regulations and the US is handling security. Even if this was an American company considering how much outsourcing is done a terrorist infiltrator could still get hired in another country to work on something sensitive. Yes DP's majority ownership is in the Emirates but that doesn't mean that they are involved in operations. For that matter there's nothing stopping an Emir to buy a controlling interest of a publicly traded US company already. In the age of multi-nationals there's not much difference between an American or foreign company even if that company is owned by Emirs.

    First I didn't say this was a non-issue just that I thought too much was being made of it. As I learn more about it though I will say there is a big issue here which is how the Admin has bungled and mismanaged this whole thing. I'm less concerned that a foreign company is managing US ports but find it very concerning the things you cite along with that the President and other high officials seem to be unaware until they hear about it in the press and continue to be handling things in a secretive and stubborn way.
     
  3. underoverup

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    coming into this thread late but............

    is this really that big of a deal? china, india, etc have terminals in us ports, the us still does all the security. i think the outsourcing aspect is probably worse that the security risk if even that is a big deal...........
     
  4. wnes

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    First we have
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    Hey, I am prophetic, am I not? :)
     
  5. insane man

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  6. gifford1967

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    Sept. 11 Report Ties Bin Laden to UAE By ELIZABETH WHITE, Associated Press Writer

    1 hour, 1 minute ago

    The United States raised concerns with the United Arab Emirates seven years ago about possible ties between officials in that country and Osama bin Laden, according to a section of the Sept. 11 commission's report that details a possible missed opportunity to kill the al-Qaida leader.

    Republicans and Democrats alike are raising concerns this week about the Bush administration's decision to let a UAE-operated company take over operations at six American ports, in part citing ties the Sept. 11 hijackers had to the Persian Gulf country.

    President Bush has called the UAE a close partner on the war on terror since Sept. 11, and his aides have listed numerous examples of the country's help.

    The Sept. 11 commission's report released last year also raised concerns UAE officials were directly associating with bin Laden as recently as 1999.

    The report states U.S. intelligence believed that bin Laden was visiting an area in the Afghan desert in February 1999 near a hunting camp used by UAE officials, and that the U.S. military planned a missile strike.

    Intelligence from local tribal sources indicated "bin Laden regularly went from his adjacent camp to the larger camp where he visited the Emiratis," the report said.

    "National technical intelligence confirmed the location and description of the larger camp and showed the nearby presence of an official aircraft of the United Arab Emirates. But the location of bin Laden's quarters could not be pinned down so precisely," the report said.

    The missile attack was never launched, and bin Laden moved on, the report said.

    A month later, top White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke "called a UAE official to express his concerns about possible associations between Emirati officials and bin Laden," the report said.

    CIA officials hope to continue staking out the Afghan camp in hopes bin Laden would return and a possible strike could be launched.

    But "imagery confirmed that less than a week after Clarke's phone call, the camp was hurriedly dismantled and the site was deserted," the report said.

    CIA officials were "irate" and "thought the dismantling of the camp erased a possible site for targeting bin Laden, the report said.


    At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday, Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record), the ranking Democrat, asked Deputy Treasury Secretary Robert Kimmitt if he was aware of the 9-11 commission's assertion that the United Arab Emirates represents "a persistent counterterrorism problem"for the United States.

    Kimmitt replied that administration figures involved in the decision to approve the deal "looked very carefully" at information from the intelligence community.

    "Any time a foreign-government controlled company comes in," Kimmitt said, "the intelligence assessment is of both the country and the company."

    "Just raise your hand if anybody talked to the 9-11 commission," Levin told the administration representatives at the witness table. Nobody raised a hand.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060223...dydge12wPIE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
     
  7. mleahy999

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    well what do you expect from a libpig like republican congresswoman myrick?

    this republican congresswoman is nothing more than another liberal using this port deal as an opportunity to bash bush for political gain.

    i declare this letter libpig outrage of the day! nothing to see here folx. move along. :rolleyes:
     
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    I hope you noticed in today's defense of the deal that Bush said "my Government" checked it out, not our government or the US government. I don't know why this deal is surpirsing as it upholds all 3 pillars of the Bush administration: lack of checks and balances, cronyism, and incompetence.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    This is where politics suck. I have no problem at all with the company from Dubai purchasing the British Company, P&O. However, the ignorant masses hear this and think, "Oh ****!!! ARABS ARE GOING TO OWN OUR PORTS!!! Bin Laden is Arab!! So is Zarqawi!! Al Qaeda??!?? Oh HELL NO!!". Give me a break. Because of this ignorant overreaction by the public who has very little knowledge of US ports, shipping companies, and Dubai/UAE, politicians up for reelection have no choice but to be against this (both republicans and democrats). Arabs are not going to own our ports and port security will continue to be handled at a federal level. These terminals were previously leased by a British Company. Now we have a Dubai based company. Both are foreign. In some of the ports such as New Orleans, they're only going to lease a few assets that P&O previously leased out of the entire port. Talk about an overreaction.
     
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    I did notice that. And thought it kind of weird.
     
  12. mc mark

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    No one is to blame excerpt your chicken little president.
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    Bush should be seriously COMMENDED for his stand on this. This is an excellent display of his leadership. Liberals - hear me out on this one, I can already sense that you've already shut down your mind on this one.

    In the face of bipartisan ignorance and politicians (about to be up for reelection) pandering to scared, ignorant voters, Bush is standing strong in the face of them when clearly he has little to gain politically. This is not a political issue. It does not concern port security in the least. Here is an exerpt from the Christian Science Monitor today:

    Companies like P&O don't provide security at the ports. The US Coast Guard and Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement do. For instance, in New Orleans, P&O is one of eight terminal operators responsible for marketing the port, signing agreements with shipping lines, hiring labor, loading ships, and moving cargo.

    But P&O has no responsibility for security. "We have our own police force, harbor patrol, customs officers, and Coast Guard," says Chris Bonura, spokesman for the Port of New Orleans. "That won't change no matter who is operating the terminal."

    P&O is not commenting on the political uproar over the deal. But a source within the company worries that the media and politicians are misrepresenting the arrangements. Other who work within the port communities agree. They note that P&O will not be "managing" the ports, as many news organizations have reported. Instead, the company is one of many that leases terminals at the port.

    "I've never quite seen a story so distorted so quickly," says Esther de Ipolyi, a public-relations executive who works with the port of Houston. "It's like I go to an apartment building that has 50 apartments, and I rent an apartment. This does not mean I took over the management of the whole building."

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0222/p01s01-usfp.html

    Here's another quote from Jay Carafino that I want you to read:
    What happens when one foreign-owned company sells a U.S. port service to another foreign-owned company. Not much. Virtually all the company employees at the ports are U.S. citizens. The Dubai firm is a holding company that will likely play no role in managing the U.S. facilities. Likewise, the company is owned by the government, a government that is an ally of the United States and recognizes that al Qaeda is as much a threat to them as it is to us.

    This is much ado about nothing, and frankly, it smacks of ignorance at best, racism at worst.
     
  14. vlaurelio

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    thats basically the same argument you used for invading iraq right?
     
  15. Ubiquitin

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    I see no issue in our selling the port.
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    NOBODY IS SELLING OUR PORTS. Seriously, where do you get your news from?
     
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    Alright, handling the port. It doesn't change my opinion. This is not something I could possibly fault Bush on.
     
  18. gifford1967

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    Serious question. Would you have a problem with a company owned by the Iranian government taking over these port operations?
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    Stupid question. I know where you're going with this, and I'm not going to fall into your silly trap. Do some objective research on this subject and you'll realize the folly of your position. It's a knee-jerk anti-Arab point of view that you are espousing in order to bash Bush.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    Well, I guess we agree on this topic, but it sounds like you haven't done much of any research, but simply side with the Arab country. Alright.
     

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