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Fire Gundy II!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by R0ckets03, Dec 3, 2005.

  1. Roc Paint

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    ...and that's a good thing. I've been waiting two years to get rid of Grumpy.
     
  2. ico4498

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    i think the rockets would be better served with a more creative coach.

    ole man grumpy wears on the nerves, hangs his players out to dry in the media, after 3 years of his ministrations we still lack offensive identity, as a "defensive specialist" the defence is predictable and quite frankly less than successful ...

    but the primary reason i want him gone ... grumpy has this holy grail of a system that is as flexible as Stonehenge.

    the NBA is the highest standard for basketball; yah gottah find a coach who can create situations for the personnel at hand. Not one committed to the endless search for "grumpy type players" that leaves small room to develop chemistry.

    sometimes yah just gottah work with the hand you're dealt.
     
  3. Texas Stoke

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    LOL, and here you are, the little goldigger, after Phil Jackson because he has shiny rings on his fingers. "waaahh waaahh, Les said no!" "JVG should just quit" dude, you are a riot.

    Here's a fact a turdknocker like yourself loves to hate, the Rockets with Mcgrady and Yao are 16-8. I'll keep bringing it up just to remind you.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    He is dedicated, but he rubs on people the wrong way. Not a championship coach, IMHO.

    DD
     
  5. Zboy

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    None of those were of any quality teams,except perhaps an injured Clippers team. I wouldnt have brought up Clippers injury had you not brought up Rockets injury.....so I wouldnt go around goading about 16-8....

    ..and I definately would not be defending JVG when compared to Phil Jackson. I hate PJ's ego but he is in a league of his own. JVG has yet to win even 1 champonship. Sorry, no contest.
     
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    The Rockets with McGrady and Yao also suffered the worst game 7 loss in NBA playoff history under Mr. Van Gundy.
     
  7. Almu

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    Rockets03...

    Antsy? No. I am not antsy. I am past the point of caring. Not about the coach. Not about the Rocks. About fans like yourself or EDC or of that like who hide when the team is winning or doing well and the first bad loss come out of their caves.

    You see, I want my team to win. Unlike you eloquently put it, I do not suck his Gumby no matter what. I just happen to be a rational, common sense human being who like to give my coach a chance to do his job. I know he rubs you the wrong way. Like DaDakota says. Its all about that with you or fans like you who want to see him fired...you figure it out why you hate him so much.

    He is a New Yorker. Rubs the us southerners the wrong way when we get them there city slickers. He doesn't smile and drink beer like that other coach who had us winning after 1997 on a consistent basis. I know Mr. Gundy (edc's favorite) doesn't have a ring. But I do believe that this just might be the first non playoff year he has had here...or ever... and when the team is healthy, they are 8 games over.

    I made the statement that if Gundy struggles like this NEXT YEAR, I will call for his head. But unlike some, I am here...win or loss...sticking by my coach...all "Welcome Home Party" jokes aside.
     
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  8. edc

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    You must enjoy losing if it will take ANOTHER sub-.500 season before you want Mr. Van Gundy fired.
     
  9. tchou

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    Obviously not, otherwise you wouldn't have replied.

    I don't think people hide, it's just harder to build a case when the team is doing well--except for a select few. That is b/c JVG lovers will just say, "We're doing great, look @ our record." Likewise, the JVG lovers go into hiding when the team is doing poorly--except for a select few.

    Hahahaha, you say that so self-righteously, as if you're only person that does.

    Fact: JVG's hand picked team, under the JVG system, is simply not good enough--regardless of health. Emperical evidence proves so.

    Now if you want to debate this, by all means do so. But don't bring in faulty logic, insults, and a poor understanding of set theory and situational analysis. Bring in da big guns, cuz you'll need every step-up in caliber.
     
  10. tchou

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    I don't see the flaw in my argument. This is not the first season JVG is coaching the Rockets, while it LB's in NY. LB is arguable a better defensive, but more importantly LB is definitely a superior offensive coach. The similarities between LB and JVG is that they're both strict and both take on a defense-first approach to the game. Other than that, the similarities pretty much end there.

    LB's is a proven success. Furthermore, he's proved he can do it w/o a single true superstar. In contrast, JVG needs more than 1 superstar just to play .400 ball.

    I know a lot of JVG lovers will say that Wesley & J.Howard can't lead a team. And you're absolutely right. But DW & JH were NOT asked to. Tmac & Yao were BOTH missing only for a few games.
     
  11. DaGlide

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    I think JVG has demonstrated that he can take a team w/o a superstar and do well. See the '99 Knicks.

    Larry Brown is a very good coach, but I find your assertion that he can win w/o a single superstar a bit suspect. When was the last time he had a winning season with a team that didn't have at least one all-star? I honestly don't know the answer, but I can't think of a team off the top of my head.
     
  12. ndnguy85

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    if it was just the coaches, why arent they getting 25 mil a year. is phil jackson a good coach? and is kobe a good player? then why are they at .500. it's a team sport, and if you don't have a good team, no coach is going to do any miracle.

    the thing with jvg is he had a chance to bring the players he "wanted" yet he continues to struggle.
     
  13. DaGlide

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    I hear this a lot on the BBS, but I'm not sure I fully comprehend it. It's not like the Rockets have/had unlimited money and trade assets. Which trades/acquisitions have been bad, and what were the alternatives? Was the TMac trade a bad thing? You can poke fun at pick-ups like Oakley, Strickland, et al. A couple of those had my :rolleyes: going as well (although, not the Oakley 10-day, strangely enough). Signing Ward was clearly a screw-up, I'll give you that.

    Bottom line is that the TMac deal was a really good thing, but it wasn't free. We leveraged our starting line-up big time in order to build a foundation for a championship ballclub. It takes time to recover from that and build a team with players you truly want. In the meantime, you have to settle for the players that you can actually get.
     
  14. Easy

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    The criticism about JVG is that he has had two full seasons to assemble a team around not one but two great players. Yet, when the going gets tough, he still complains about not getting the right players or getting the efforts from the players he has.
     
  15. R0ckets03

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    I'm not hiding anywhere buddy. Winning or losing, I am all firing Gundy.

    Why? I just dont think he is a good fit to be a coach of any NBA team. Even if we get to the playoffs Gundy should still be gone. We will never be an excellent team with Grumpy. He is an average coach and that is all we will ever be.
     
  16. Jerry36

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    I know this team had a lot of injuries, but it still should make the playoffs. If not JVG should be fired.
     
  17. sccdct34

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    if he gets fired or not depends on how the rockets finish now that they are healthy
     
  18. peleincubus

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    a few more losses and this thread will start to rival the vince young vs. reggie bush thread.

    :cool:
     
  19. munco

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    we're 16-7 or something like that with Yao and T-Mac in the lineup. That's good enough.
     
  20. munco

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    Knicks 15 -37 (1 win in their last 10 games)
    Rockets 22 -31 (7 wins in their last 10 games)

    Yao's missed 23 games
    T-Mac's missed 13 games

    We're not a good team when they're out. It's that simple.
     

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