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The "franchise player" debate has been settled. It's Amen.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OremLK, May 4, 2025.

  1. bustamove

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    okay howbout 4.5 times of that?

    post all star break (27 games) from 5 to 24ft

    Amen shot 45%
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    We did this small sample **** with the draft bust Jalen Green, let's not do it with Amen.

    If he actually improves, it'll show. It hasn't yet.

    Just be patient and wait for actual signs.
     
  3. bustamove

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    with Jalen Green people cherry picked a stretch of a month or 10 games or so

    this is 27 games/3 months all games after the all star break this is not cherry picking
     
  4. Houston77

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    How big of a sample size do you need? In the playoffs, he shot 55% 10 - 14 ft, 43% 15 - 29 ft, 38% 20 - 24 ft. His last 40 games he shot 27% from 3. We’re not talking about short bursts here - we’re talking about nearly half a season.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    It kind of is though... how many shots are we even talking about?

    The fact that you have to go down to 5 feet to get the result you want is telling as well.

    How many of those were 10 feet or more? What was his fg% on shots over 10 feet?

    When you go all the way down to 5 feet... and the majority of shots are those super close shots, it can skew the results.
     
  6. Corrosion

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    Tell us what happened next?
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    "The playoffs" is 6 games.

    How many total shots are we even talking about?

    In his last 40 games of the regular season he shot 37 total 3's and hit 24% of them.....
     
  8. Corrosion

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    Hurray!!

    He got to Westbrook territory ..... How did that work out again?


    I know what we need to do!
     
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  9. Houston77

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    So you’d be disappointed if he developed into an MVP with 200+ triple double games? I really don’t get when people bring up Westbrook as a bash - prime Westbrook was a monster.
     
  10. Corrosion

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    The comparison has nothing to do with Westbrook being a Monster!

    Westbrook was also a terrible shooter - That's the comparison.

    He shot .258 in his season here and you are pushing the idea that he shot Westbrook level for half a season as being some kinda wonderful / improvement?!

    They traded him because he killed their spacing - Just like Amen.

    Remind us how that worked out for the Rockets.

    Westbrook and a first round pick for John Wall .... who hadn't played in over a year and that was the only way they could dump him.
     
  11. jordnnnn

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    Prime Westbrook was a monster at accumulating counting stats at the expense of greater team success. I would be disappointed if that's what Amen developed into.
     
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  12. bustamove

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    He wouldnt. Amen is not a chucker

    He doesnt turn the ball over

    Check out his TS% and ATO ratio

    He accumulates wins, net rating, on off, bpm
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    It's good that he's not a chucker, it's bad that no one respects his shot outside of 10 feet or so.

    If he gets to the point where opposing defenses stop laughing at him, we're in business
     
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    It’s funny to me how posters will treat the playoffs as an end-all-be-all (“We suck because we lost!”) but refuse to acknowledge good aspects from it (“It was only 6 games.”)

    His 2026 playoff shot chart from 0 - 24 ft is below. Again, no one is saying he’s a good shooter now - but this shot chart does look very different than past years. In fact, the percentages for the 26 shots he took from 10 - 24 feet are actually pretty good, and 4.3 shots a game from that distance is not insubstantial. IMG_5898.jpeg
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    Lol you're talking about 26 total shots..... SMH.


    26 shots where he was not defended because the other team was too busy laughing at him.

    "Ignore his whole career, focus on this specific 26 shots". You needed Jesus.
     
  16. Houston77

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    You think taking 4.3 shots a game from extended distance is insignificant? Feel that way if you want. I don’t think it is at all.
     
  17. bustamove

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    okay so howbout 27 games after the all star break 140 total 5 to 24ft shots?
     
  18. Corrosion

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    Y'all keep posting all kinda crap to prove that "Amen is the franchise player" yet NONE of the statistics are on your side.

    Amen is NOT the franchise player.

    The Rockets Do Not Have A Franchise Player On Their Roster.


    Amen is a good piece, not a franchise player.

    /End
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    Counting 5 foot "shots" pretty much invalidates the data set.

    I guess the important question though is, was it enough to make defenders stop laughing at him when he had the ball away from the dunker's spot and actually guard him?

    That's what really matters. Otherwise you might as well be a team that got beat in the playoffs saying the analytics actually said you won.
     
  20. Francis3422

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    This guy obviously hates Amen. Leave him be. He will show everybody this year.
     
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