The "franchise player" debate has been settled. It's Amen.

point out which stats I posted are not true

 

Fchowd is that you

 

You didn’t. You’re lying. You said Amen got banished to the dunker’s spot after a dozen games last season. That’s so far from being true that there’s no way you could think it’s true unless you are just a stat watcher.

Here’s another post All Star break game against the Raptors. 23 points, six assists. Literally every point is initiated from the perimeter - not a single point scored from the dunker’s spot.

You are embarrassing yourself in this thread, stat watcher.

 

You’re the one who thinks Amen got banished to the dunker’s spot after a dozen games last season. That’s so far in LaLaLand you may need to commit yourself.

 

that guy crying about regular season when Amen was doin this in the playoffs

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CF...eamID=1610612745&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

1st 3:49 started dribble above the arc pullup jumper from FT line
2nd 9:18 started dribble above the arc 3' driving reverse layup
2nd 7:56 assisted:catch & shoot jumper from FT line
2nd 2:04 started dribble from right corner 15' pullup jumper
2nd 1:17 assisted: 2' layup
3rd 11:44 started dribble from FT line 2' driving layup
3rd 8:26 started dribble from half court line 8' floating jumper
3rd 35.7 started dribble from half court line 6' floating jumper
4th 11:36 assisted: 2' reverse layup
4th 4:37 unassited: started dribble from half court pullup jumper from FT line

 

I think this is often overlooked and people negatively label him as simply waiting in the dunker’s spot. His scoring in the paint is incredible.

 

Looking through that....I saw him defended twice by a good defender. The other plays were dunker spot, center on him, or LaRavia, Reaves, or Kennard. I did notice that this is only made attempts.

 

He got a ton of switches because he blew by his man several times, causing the defense to collapse. Are you trying to say that other scorers don’t hunt mismatches?

You can go look at his few misses if you want I guess. He was 10/16.

 

This is why it drives me nuts when people bring up his shot chart. He doesn’t score like a center - that’s just where he takes his shots. His shot chart is what it is because he plays like Giannis, not Shaq or Mobley.

 

I don't think Amen will be a "True Franchise Player" unless he can develop a jumpshot. He passes up so many open looks each game. Prime Scottie Pippen is his ceiling. A great player... worth every bit of what we will probably give him on his extension (as long as it isn't the Max). Not someone I would build around. He is the #2 on a championship team, not the #1. When the time comes, I think we should push all our chips in on Edwards or Tatum - and hopefully keep Amen when we do so...

 

Prime Scottie absolutely could be a #1 on a championship team. Hell, he almost was. He’s a top 30 or so player of all time.

 

LOL

he went 10 of 16 for 63%

only one of those where he is just campuing on the dunkers spot

most of them are pullups, then drives, the C&S, then cut

 

AOH: he only camps at the dunkers spot
video is presented
AOH: but but...

 

We're still arguing about Ben Simmons?

 

I wouldn't mind Amen taking the same type of leap that Pippen did in his 4th year - which was the Bulls first championship season. Pippen, like Amen was a god awful 3 point shooter for most of his career. 10 Years in a row of 1st or 2nd team all defense and 8 years of making at least the all-NBA third team. Never a great offensive player, but mostly a swiss army knife and great defender. I think this archtype is less valuable today than in the 90's and would struggle to lead a franchise on a deep run as the #1.

 

Aw, yes. Ben Simmons, a beta who missed more games than he played, never averaged more than 16 ppg in a season, and was afraid to dunk is definitely comparable to a maniac like Amen, who has averaged 70 games a year and dunks more than any non-center who isn't named Giannis.

Simmons would have been great had he not been injury-prone and didn't possess the b****made gene. Neither are a concern for Amen.

 

I totally disagree with this assessment. I think jackknife forwards who can score at a high level are more valuable than ever in the NBA. It's all about versatility in the second apron era. For instance, I'd rather have a guy like Amen who averages an efficient 23 - 25 ppg (which I think is perfectly reasonable expectation for Amen if he develops into our franchise player) than a 30+ ppg scorer who doesn't do much else other than score.

This isn't a perfect example, but while Brunson won the Final MVP, I think the clear Finals MVP was OG (and Brunson may be my favorite non-Rockets player).

 

It's true, the comparison is insulting to Simmons who had a much better handle, much better passing, and much better court vision than Amen who is the Clint Capella of forwards pretending to be guards.

 

Simmons didn't have a great handle. In his prime, he averaged over 3 TOV per game and his assist-to-turnover ratio was basically the same as Amen's.

Again, Simmons would have been a top 10 player if he wasn't injury prone and had Amen's mentality. But, please keep comparing Simmons to Amen. I'll be sure to revisit the comparison in every year as Amen ascends and Simmons is sitting at home.

 

Embarrassingly bad take. You paint yourself into these corners and then you are left saying clownish things.