The "franchise player" debate has been settled. It's Amen.

That's something Ben Simmons would do.

 

Sengun was never supposed to be that he was a 16th pick. The fact that people expected and got more from him than most of our top picks speaks volumes of his work ethic and the lack thereof from our high picks. If they had done their jobs it would never be a discussion. But they havent. None of them have. Even Amen has been a disapointment. He plays off of Sengun and Durant so how can he be the Franchise? I hope he gets better but he's not the two way guy I was hoping for him to be early. I love Amen he may be untouchable and a large piece to the ultimate puzzle and I agree with that but he's got a long way to go before becoming a Franchise player. We dont have a Franchise player. And I dont get the Clutchfans obession with naming someone that before theyve done anything.

 

Not trying to sound like a hater but again these numbers mean nothing over a short span. Its why Victor and Kat are are the bottom of the top ten and they helped get their teams to the finals and Jalen Brunson the finals mvp isnt even on there. Context is needed. Sorry but these numbers mean nothing.

 

This bullsh!t stat tells me that we had the worst bench in the playoffs. No KD, no Fred, no Steven, no trade, and no one on the buyout market.

Again, there will always be players with great stats on bad teams because someone has to eat all the minutes and get all the touches. But when the other team leaves you wide open on purpose, I can assure you that you ain't Him.

 

in the series against LA Amen was better overall than Alpi

shooting, passing, and defense

only thing Alpi was clearly better was rebounds

so people complaining Amen can't shoot or is a bricklayer, Alpi was a bigger bricklayer than Amen

 

it means that if Amen can play 48 instead of 44 minutes a game then Rockets would have won the series

 

lol

 

I dont get why its Amen vs Alpi. What is with Rockets fans and this vs ****. Shoudlnt it be Amen vs Bari. Bari plays a spot that Amen would thrive at. Bari is a top 3 pick Sengun was always meant to be 3rd or 4th best player and would be if Bari and Jalen had panned out. We wasted a top 3 pick on Bari. There's lireally no discussion here on if he could be the Franchise player and even Reed has a thread lol I see these highlights of Amen and I see a lot of Sengun assisting him. I dont see Jabari in Amen's highlights at all lol I think Amen and Sengun can work well together they just need to improve and to be surrounded by a point guard and real shooters.

 

it's because people keep saying Amen is only better than Alpi because defense which is completely false

Amen is surpassed Alpi as a two way player in the playoffs

Amen is surpassed Alpi as a playmaker in the playoffs

Alpi shot worse than Amen in the playoffs

when we talk about someone on a team being "most untouchable" comparison to teammates is natural

 

You guys are making a huge deal of a terrible 6 games. I watch you guys talk about the playoffs like they are the end all be all of everything and they arent. The forum loves small sample sizes and +/- box numbers (A stat meant for large sample size) and youre always shocked when people dont play like they should over the course of a season. "Amen surpassed Alpi as a passer for 6 games" Amazing, Now do it for a whole season. Be a star then. Last I checked Sengun is a 2 time allstar. Im not saying he's gonna ultimately be better but if you guys want to puff your chest up against Sengun for Amen then let Amen do it for a sustained period. Cuz he hasnt. Amen should have better potential than Sengun. Him Bari and Reed should all be better than Sengun given where they were drafted. Yet Sengun has been more successful for a longer stretch. If he's gonna be better then great make allstar next season, if not then shut up. If he is our Franchise player great be a Franchise player otherwise shut up with this AMEN VS SENGUN is the franchise. I dont see it from either. For the longest period over 2 years its been Sengun is the closest. But thats not saying much because he aint been close. So I want Amen to do it for 2 years and beyond not 6 games if we're gonna call him the Franchise. Otherwise shut up.

 

We see Amen vs Sengun in CF mostly for 2 reasons:

1. Both players have fan base who are leaning towards 'player only fans' and 'haters'. Both end of the spectrum mostly bring conflict.
2. More reasonable fan base argues both can't co-exist due to spacing concern, which is super fair.

Amen's pshyical traits are far superior compared to Alpi. He's also a + defender. Why not invest in him so we think. Sounds good, except the fact that Amen is a 'offensive liability' as much as Alpi is a 'defensive liability'. Good luck carring the offense.

I like Reed' chances better compared to those 2. At least, the dude shows that he can score at all 3 levels.

Maybe not, I dunno. I'm still bitter about losing to Fakers.

 

Number 2 is it for me. They're both talented but flawed players that need a certain team composition around them to be maximized.

 

That's pretty funny cause Amen was worse in the playoffs than he was during the regular season.


You can say Sengun played like crap ..... but that doesn't prop up Amen's statistical drop off.

 

if the goal is winning a chip, the goal is getting the farthest in the playoffs not simply getting in the playoffs

ask Harden

 

In the playoffs Amen was 6th in the league in protential assists Sengun was 15th

In the playoffs Amen shot better than Sengun

Look it up

I'd rather take a 3rd year rocket/5th year pro who had a bad playoffs

than a 5th year rocket/8 year pro who even had a worse playoffs

 

Amen was incredibly impactful in the playoffs. We basically lost because of the minutes he was off the court.

 

That’s his best comparison.

 

This looks great and all but you guys do realize that the Rockets LOST in the first round right??... Like in a kind of embarrassing fashion to a team that wasn't all that good, and got torched in the next round.

I'm okay with being high on Amen... I'm high on Amen. He is kind of our last hope of developing a star player in the next couple seasons. We really HAVE TO be excited about Amen or we really have little reason to watch this season.

That being said.... let's be honest about what kind of player Amen is likely to be throughout his career. I hope he exceeds his likely comparables but if we live in the real world this isn't a guy we should likely be soley building around, and if we were we shouldn't be building the team around him that we are. The team Stone has put around Amen is the antithesis of what you need in order to really elevate Amen's abilities.

 

Dude, do you understand what on/off means? It means, had he physically been able to play every minute, we would have dominated the Lakers - he is that impactful. He’s not an empty stats, flashy guy like a Trae Young. He’s the exact type of guy we should be building around.