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  1. dobro1229

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    Buddy… when it’s just you and Spaceghost in disbelief, I think that’s an indication that a little self reflection might be in order.

    You can be incredibly thoughtful and intelligent on nearly every issue but for some reason you have an oddly bizarre loyalty to Putin and nostalgia for the Soviet Union glory days that I’ll never understand.

    Ukraine didn’t get rolled over like you predicted. It wasn’t imminent that Russia would take over therefore it was deplorable that people like me dare support the right for countries to be able to defend themselves against invading tyrants.

    You’ve gaslit us for years on the stupid war of choice by Putin. Give it the fck up.
     
  2. No Worries

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    Mr "I Can End This War in 24 hours" has finally gotten around to understanding the "situation" ...


    Trump, in major shift, suggests Ukraine can win back territory long held by Russia

    President Trump on Tuesday shifted his position on whether Ukraine should hold out for all the territory seized by Russia, saying on social media that he thinks Ukraine is in a position to win it all back.

    It’s a reversal from his long-held position that Kyiv would need to give up some of its territory to Moscow to end the war – such as Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014.

    But now, “after getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation,” Trump said he believes Ukraine – backed by the European Union and NATO – can win back all its territory.

    “Why not?” he said in a post after he met Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly, even suggesting that Ukraine could “maybe even go further than that!”

    The reversal is the latest example of how Trump has swung between deference, frustration and indirect threats against Russia. Early in his second term, Trump boasted that his close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin would help him broker a quick resolution to the conflict.


    https://www.opb.org/article/2025/09/24/trump-shifts-position-on-ukrainian-territory-held-by-russia
     
  3. No Worries

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    U.S. State Department says Ukraine currently winning war

    The U.S. Department of State believes that Ukraine is currently winning the war against Russia.

    This was stated by U.S. under Secretary of State for Foreign Assistance, Humanitarian Affairs, and Religious Freedom Jeremy Lewin during the YES Dinner Discussion ahead of the Ukraine Recovery Conference (URC 2026), an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

    “We do have a moment right now where Ukraine is winning the war,” he noted, highlighting how much Kyiv is doing to adapt to the next phase of the conflict.


    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-po...ing-war-us-under-secretary-of-state-says.html
     
  4. Space Ghost

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    Amazing how the war mongers disregard an entire generation of men being wiped out, along with significant portion of infrastructure as 'winning'.
     
  5. No Worries

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    FIFY.

    BTW, thanks for the non sequitur response!
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    Yeah, except Im not claiming Russia is winning or will be the winner.

    As I stated many times, most of you all view life as a zero sum game. Being 1 pt better than Republicans doesn't make you a winner. Winning an election doesn't make you morally superior. Both parties are absolutely despicable and anyone who continues to pretend one party is morally superior than the other are garbage humans.

    Your narrow mind doesn't understand that both Ukraine and Russia have lost. The real winner is the United States. And I really do not expect you to understand how wrong this is.
     
  7. basso

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    excellent.
     
  8. No Worries

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    What I posted was:
    U.S. State Department says Ukraine currently winning war

    The US State Department rarely says anything this precise or un-diplomatic (versus choosing to not step on anyone's toes).

    I do not know who is winning the war. Both sides (Ukraine and Russia) tell their version of the truth.

    IMO, the world would be in a better place if this war stops.

    I agree with you. Both Russia and Ukraine have suffered major losses from this war.

    You are correct. I do not understand how the US is the real "winner" in this war. We have spent gold but not blood.
     
  9. KingCheetah

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    ROCKSS, arkoe and basso like this.
  10. Space Ghost

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    We have first hand knowledge on how to engage in advanced warfare w/out the loss of American lives.
    We have not spent gold - we have spent fiat.

    Putin foolishly believe America was over leveraged and that his oil supply could out last the petro dollar, thus hurting American economics over the long run. Yes, the petro dollar is now broken. And with that, the heavy handed might of the United States.

    This is good news and very bad news.
    The good news is that more and more countries will have more flexibility to do what is in their best interest w/out the need to kiss the ring of the United States.
    The bad news is that more and more countries will be able to operate like Iran. New factions coupled with incompetence will lead to more serious and bloody conflicts like Ukraine. Effective wars can be fought w/out the need of $100m aircraft and advanced $5m missiles.
     

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