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We’ll be a better team once we move on from FVV.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ThatboyPhuong, Jun 16, 2026.

  1. ThatboyPhuong

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    Yes but he can agree to it...
     
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    And he has a player option.
     
  3. Joe Joe

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    He will either accept player option or will agree to an extension. As mentioned by others, as soon as he exercises player option, his deal becomes a 2-year deal such that implied no trade clause tied to using Bird rights on a 1-year deal (or as long as the deal has potential to be) do not apply.

    I'm not hoping for a player extension. While the Rockets financial situation has been good enough that vet salaries have not mattered much in a while, as soon as Amen's extension kicks in, that situation changes.
     
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    Only if what you replace FVV with equals or exceeds what he brings... then 100%.

    I would imagine you will be disappointed if you were one of the fans who blames FVV for the inadequacy of the roster and coaching. FVV closing games with Kawhi/KD is a different proposition than closing games with Jalen Green. If you undervalue what he brought then what you think you need to replace him with will similarly not be good enough.
     
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    I can’t form an opinion on FVV.

    The 2 years ago version is a very good player but now he’s coming off the injury and the last time I saw him he looked like DJ Khaled 40 lbs overweight.

    I’m out on depending on him as the sole PG but as a secondary playing alongside another capable guard, he’d be hard to improve on if he’s healthy and on a better contract.
     
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    With the injury, I feel like an extension would be a mistake.

    FVV and Sengun could get routed for Giannis, Brown, or Mitchell. Lots of ways this offseason will go but I am confident ownership is interested in moving forward and not backwards.
     
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    Duh, it's like saying I'd do this business if it gave me profits. Who would want to replace him with something worse?

    The real debate is what is better for the team. I don't think there is a simple answer.
     
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    Only if he retires right now and I will love it.
     
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    Idk why we overvalue waterboy fred.
     
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    We don’t, just Ime. Stone won’t buck Ime.
     
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    Its always the insecure Sengun fans with the worst takes. The "hub" of a offense that was dead last in the playoffs? The same Sengun that was severely outplayed by DeAndre Ayton? Man Senguns azz needs to traded first
     
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    It's not "duh". On theme for today, here is a great Alan Greenspan quote:

    "I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organizations, specifically banks and others, were such that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms."

    This was in response to the 2008 financial crisis.


    Around here, you'd assume many Rockets fans would promote decisions in the best interest of the Rockets. If you assume that, you are wrong. People constantly espouse things that obviously make the team worse because they are emotionally divested in one player.

    This whole thread is based on the idea that dumping FVV is a good idea. So not "duh".

    It needs to be said for the simple minded that you only deal FVV if you think it makes the team better. Every blue moon, there is an addition by subtraction but FVV definitely doesn't fall into that category. So I agree with you about how to replace him ...but that same statement should be stated for every single player on the team and not singling out FVV.
     
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    The team embarrassed itself this season....calling FVV the problem is more than a little weird.

    I've never thought the world of him, but the fact that some fans seem to think any old game managing shmuck can do what he does has always made it hard for me to respect opinions. A PG who manages the game well, stretches the floor, and plays great defense will not be had for a couple million dollars.

    A guy with no ball handling skills like Pat Bev was making 14 million a few years ago just as a 3 and D guy.
     
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    Nothing matters until the team moves on from Ime Udoka.
     
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    Especially now that the Mavs signed Michigan's young, imaginative and title winning coach. Dallas will be nothing if not exciting next year
     
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    I agree that at his peak he was a much better player than some of our posters wanted to give him credit for. Just the 3P volume alone (when he was shooting average-or-better percentages) was HUGE for this team. Let alone the steady ballhandling, strong AST:TO ratio, and good defensive play.

    But the problem is... he's not that 29-year-old guy at his peak that he was when we first signed him. He's 32 now and coming off a very serious surgery and a full season away from ball. I'm just not sure what we're getting when he comes back, and I have a bad feeling it might look something like what we just saw happen with Dorian Finney-Smith, who also used to be a valuable roleplayer and his play got absolutely wrecked by a major injury around the same age.
     
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    Maybe it will be like that. That said, moving on from him does not help the other players play better. If he sucks, it just means the Rockets are down a player that they wouldn't have even if they didn't re-sign him.

    Long term, if the Rockets hadn't re-signed FVV, move on from him this offseason or next, the Rockets are really unimpacted by FVV. Short term, I think it is obvious from last season that the Rockets really needed a healthy FVV (or someone like him) to be more competitive.
     
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    The main thing that bothers me is the opportunity cost; which is to say, I'd rather have any rotation-caliber guard out there who is young enough that he might actually get better. I just don't think the odds are good that FVV even returns to his peak, let alone has any kind of surprising breakout (which is essentially impossible at this stage of his career). And yet we're plugging him into the rotation, probably even the starting lineup, for however many games Ime is stubborn enough to keep him there. It's wasting NBA rotation minutes, which are a valuable asset in and of themselves.
     
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    The Rockets were 17-4 (.809) with Sheppard starting last year. Is it possible that having Reed start and having FVV run things in the 4th quarter could help minimize the collapses?

    I’d prefer to see us get another PG, but I could see Stone buying this theory. Ime would probably not go for it.
     
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