The term “bust” was never a fact and we have people on this site arguing it is. It’s reductive and limiting like most conversations and discussions on this site. In my opinion a productive player who impacts winning can’t be a bust. Bust means failure. Bust means the player did not adapt to the NBA or is not playable in a standard rotation.
Im not sure what youre disagreeing with. Im stating a fact and Im telling you that fact is what I call a bust. Then you tell me you dont have a problem with the word Bust so Im not sure what youre angry about. So then whats this conversation abou tif not that. Its pretty simple and not worth a huge discussion. Me not wanting to read your paragraphs on something so basic and factually simple is unnecessary because I can tell from your prior responses its just coping bullshit denying the truth and adding things I didnt say in. Its nice that youre a fan of Jabari. I hope that makes him play better. You are the one who repsonded to me negatively. Youre throwing a tantrum.
Giddey was drafted 6th and is a better player than Jabari. Giddey was never billed as a number 1 pick. Jabari was. Most top three picks are allstrs. Jabari is not. Its pretty simple. After 3 youre not expecting an allstar youre hoping for a high level role player but if you get an allstar youre happy as hell. Teams tank to get a top 3 pick. Our tank got us Jabari, Reed, and Green as top 3 picks. Thats a miss. Though I'd give Reed atleast another year. Stone should be fired.
I think people were not creative enough to find a word for him......the word 'bust' is all encompassing and should not be..... I think for me personally, I would say that the Scouts that put him at 1-2 are the ones to blame. One of the worst scouted players, the way they hyped up a 3 and D player to be a Number 1 pick, I have never seen that. Maybe Risacher is someone who might be even a worse NBA player due to him not able to shoot good numbers yet. Those are the 2 players and their archetype.......deterring people to draft someone like Nate Ament.....who is admittedly an average shooter in College.
Jabari's not a bust. He's just blah. Like a Harrison Barnes. He's a fine role player, but not a consideration in team building. You fill a single dimensional spacing 4 role with vet-min or maybe mle. He's still very young, so I hope he proves me wrong. But I'd put my chips on Amen right now, and try to bring in a true centerpiece and/or picks that at least have a chance to bring one.
You need to stop making things up. I responded to your post and simply stated I disagree with you. Nothing more. Like many people on this site your retort was unnecessary and condescending and i already explained this thoroughly. I think the problem like a lot of other fans on this site is your adamant belief of what a fact is. Everything you stated was your opinion that isn’t necessarily based on truth or facts. And especially when the article you showed clearly shows most players don’t become “stars”. I also clearly said the term is problematic when a player is impactful. What part of this don’t you understand? Most players don’t become stars. That’s a fact. Are they all busts then according to your definition? You dodged all my questions and have no interest in normal discussion about basketball. So why are you on this site? Why respond to me then without reading then maintaining you’re right?
Jabari has a great case for the most overrated Rocket in franchise history. Everyone knows Scottie Pippen was a bad Rocket. At the same time, I don’t have any anger towards Jabari. He’s fine, he plays hard, he’s doing his best, his shot aesthetically looks great. I don’t blame Jabari. I blame our talent evaluators and decision makers for not fully understanding age development and not having a good grasp on the landscape of the league or modern basketball. The second I saw the report that the Rockets had declared Jabari Smith Jr as untouchable in talks with Phx for KD, I knew we were cooked. Counting shooters or non shooters has become such a popular way to discuss basketball that people think it’s all that matters. Playoff basketball is a pressure game. Be comfortable when you have the ball, make the other team uncomfortable when they have it. Comfortable team wins. A KD/Jabari forward line looks good on paper, the idea that Jabari is learning from the best is heartwarming, those are 2 shooters you can count when your counting shooters, you can label them both as good defenders. But it’s also a grand declaration that we will be a slow team that doesn’t pressure the ball. The other team will have more players that can handle than we have defenders that can get close and make them uncomfortable. The other team will have more defenders that can get close and make us uncomfortable than we have guys that can handle. It’s a losing playoff formula, I’m out on any version of next years team that includes KD and Jabari starting at the forward spots.
I think they just liked his versatility playing 3-5 and defense with shooting ability and hope he improves his dribbling which he has a little
Giddey can’t get in the paint, known bad defender that has issues moving laterally and can’t stay in front of players, doesn’t shoot midrange yet somehow he’s better? Besides they don’t even play the same positions. The article you used showed only 45% of 3rd picks are stars and overall the amount of players that become stars are lower than those that don’t
Yeah we don’t know, we’ll have to see what 27 year old Jabari Smith Jr looks like and if the juice was worth the squeeze. I think we’re seeing the opportunity cost and risk of not trading Jabari early, giving him the auto start, 30 mins a game, and 4 years of being 1/5 of what we train every day. I think it’s fair to say he’s had trade value, has been a negative in the playoffs against lower level playoff competition and believe the alternative of an early evaluation to trade him would’ve had us past the first round by now.
This is hindsight and scapegoating. It releases the person of any accountability. In my opinion he's a bust too. It fits my definition of a bust when a franchise hopes you're an all-star, picks you high in a position where most become allstars and youre just a decent role player. Im gonna use bust people can be offended, I dont care. I mean I could call him a disappointment is that better? Lol
Giddy led a team to a winning record this season before the trades. Notice I said lead. Jabari is nowhere close to that. Giddy is being treated like an allstar by his team. He can create for others. He often gets a triple double and is elite at playmaking. Jabari is just a shooter who can play defense and does neither elite. He's a bust.
If he was not a hot commodity back then and other teams would not have picked him, yeah, I fully agree..... All can be true, he was hyped up, he was a bust in his 1st year, he improved as a role player, still a disappointment sometimes.
This is why I didn't read your post earlier. You're changing what I said cuz you know you're wrong. I said top picks are usually allstars that's the fact. Him not being one is what makes him a bust in my opinion.
Van fleet shot 37% from the field last season he played are we seriously putting stock in him making that much of a difference?
Darko Milic is widely seen as a bust but was in the nba for 10 seasons. It depends on expectations. To me I expected way more from Jabari. We could trade him and I wouldn't be bothered the slightest. That's a fail. We have 3 other guys 2 of which drafted in lower positions that if we trade I would at least be sad. He's a bust imo. It's my definition of it im sticking to it. He can go with KD.
You keep lying. I know you're a fan of Jabari. I understand this is a Rockets forum but the homerism and denial can be unbearable. I said most are allstar not stars and dont know how many times I have to say this **** over and ****ing over again before you get it and stop misquoting on purpose.
“productive player who impacts winning” was never a fact either. We gotta establish what “winning” means. we gotta establish what metrics you’re using to determine that. or we could agree that we’re just different people that use words differently sometimes.
