1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

We are not that different from the Knicks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jaychi, Jun 6, 2026 at 4:15 AM.

  1. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    14,607
    Likes Received:
    18,915
    They have Brunson, Bridges, OG Anouby, KAT all are all-stars or near all-stars. They have multiple guys that can create and shoot 3 pointers. They also play better defense than the Rockets who regressed a great deal on defense this past year. Brunson > FVV, OG > Jabari, KAT > Sengun, Bridges > Amen (at least for now). Brown > Ime. They are nothing like us.
     
    TEXNIFICENT and ArtV like this.
  2. Imanimal

    Imanimal Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2019
    Messages:
    3,943
    Likes Received:
    4,392
    Forgot to mention they’ve won 13 straight playoff games and we lost 4 of 5 to the lowly Lakers. Oh, but yes, 33 year old slow FVV is the missing piece to our first title in 34 years.
     
    LosPollosHermanos likes this.
  3. carl_herrera

    carl_herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2023
    Messages:
    1,029
    Likes Received:
    2,874
    To the extent that there is a key learning from the Knicks and the Pacers last year, it’s that having a coherent theory and execution of offense, using all 5 players on the floor, is more important than anything else.

    Margin maximizing and defense (rebounding, turnover economy etc) matters somewhat, but in the playoffs it can’t be all that you do.

    The possession maxing + ugly halfcourt offense teams have underperformed consistently. Even OKC underperformed last year doing it tbh, and got lucky to win vs Indiana.

    We have not had a coherent theory of great halfcourt offense this decade. A different roster and probably different coach would be required to get there.
     
    JayGoogle likes this.
  4. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    60,700
    Likes Received:
    55,558
    I've heard rumors there is a generational blunt in this thread -- please pass it along.
     
    SamFisher likes this.
  5. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    37,719
    Likes Received:
    25,553
    Knicks have ball handling and shooting while the rockets dont
     
    LosPollosHermanos likes this.
  6. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    57,412
    Likes Received:
    157,504
    this is why the organization does nothing and tries to gaslight us about the return of obese FVV and old ass Adams

    members of the fanbase think we’re currently similar to the Knicks…members of the fanbase think this team would have made the Finals or ECF if we were in the East…members of the fanbase thought we could catch OKC in the regular season because OKC had a soft schedule and were going to be playing a bunch of good teams/road games post-ASB

    ownership and FO have cast some sort of spell
     
  7. clos4life

    clos4life Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2007
    Messages:
    14,377
    Likes Received:
    20,216
    I love the positivity OP. Don't let the Debbie Downers bring you down.


    ...now, how to replace the Udicker and the Stoner...
     
  8. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    107,944
    Likes Received:
    55,498
    The only thing similar was that the Knicks had some disagreements among players and that was the time the Rockets beat them......

    Since then they had the player meetings and somehow it got them on a huge Playoffs run.....

    The Rockets had some Player meetings themselves.
     
    LosPollosHermanos likes this.
  9. No Worries

    No Worries Wensleydale Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    34,672
    Likes Received:
    23,253
    Another difference is that they can beat the Spurs.
     
    Little Bit likes this.
  10. Puppet Master

    Puppet Master Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2020
    Messages:
    1,672
    Likes Received:
    2,460
    The Spurs just got a lucky run through injured teams

    Rockets unlucky with 3 key injuries

    Unfortunately it happens
     
  11. groovemachine

    groovemachine Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    3,336
    Likes Received:
    5,170
     
  12. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2007
    Messages:
    55,141
    Likes Received:
    50,626
    Like I've been saying for years.

    Coaching is underrated in the NBA

    Knicks just swapped from Thibs to Mike Brown, that was literally their biggest move outside of small roster changes to guys that barely play but people keep wanting to pretend that changing Udoka would have no difference and everyone on the team just sucks.

    Nope, Mike Brown has all these guys playing their ideal role and playing as a team and it makes all the difference in the world. He's squeezing as much as he can out of that team.

    If the Rockets magically had Coach Spo dudes would suddenly play a lot better.

    BTW no one had the Knicks doing this, funny how 'obvious' it seems to you all after the fact.
     
  13. yixiixiy

    yixiixiy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    3,664
    Likes Received:
    6,460
    We are lol. We are so very different from Knicks. Name five shooters that can be in the lineup at the same time.
     
  14. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    41,005
    Likes Received:
    34,475
    They are a good offensive team, we are not.

    TS%: Knicks 8th, Rockets 19th
    eFG%: Knicks 9th, Rockets 17th
    TOV%: Knicks 11th, Rockets 27th
    AST ratio: Knicks 10th, Rockets 23rd
    ORtg: Knicks 4th, Rockets 8th (mostly because of offensive rebounding)

    In most of the important factors (except for offensive rebounding) for a good offense, the Knicks are way better than the Rockets. I watch the Knicks play the rough Spurs defense, they are able to swing the ball effectively to the open shooter. I wish the Rockets could do that.
     
  15. Qan

    Qan Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2012
    Messages:
    6,297
    Likes Received:
    8,992
    They are better than us...from front office, to coaching, and players. Sad to say that from a team owned by Dolan.
     
  16. No Worries

    No Worries Wensleydale Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    34,672
    Likes Received:
    23,253
    How many years has Nolan owned the Knicks?

    Asking for a friend.
     
  17. mac_got_this

    mac_got_this Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2007
    Messages:
    12,226
    Likes Received:
    10,658
    man too much puff puff, not enough pass pass.


    I want to feel like you do
     
  18. cdastros

    cdastros Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2002
    Messages:
    2,243
    Likes Received:
    1,981
    The power of paint touches.
     
  19. JW86

    JW86 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    9,608
    Likes Received:
    12,121
    If you show Ime this his mind will explode. Love how both teams play together and actually team basketball are in the finals.
     
    clos4life and cdastros like this.
  20. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    22,358
    Likes Received:
    24,454
    I can't think of a less similar offensive team in the NBA. They have 5 shooters on the floor. Josh Hart is a better shooter than 2 of our starters. That's the best spaced offense in the NBA. It's draining Wemby's value as a rim protector having to come out of the paint. Against us, we would literally incentivize him to stay in the paint.

    Our entire unfixable problem is starting two total non-shooters. Even the arrival of the best jump shooter in NBA history didn't solve it. Grabbing a historic amount of offensive rebounds didn't solve it. Putting 3 excellent shooters around them didn't solve it.

    To pretend like Mike Browns offensive coaching is the same as ours is ridiculous. Brown exceeded expectations on offense in Sacramento and now in New York. Every single season Udoka has ever coached, his team has underperformed offensively relative to his roster.
     
    LosPollosHermanos and Dobbizzle like this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now