Alpi for Banchero is a 1 for 1 trade that makes sense for Orlando. Maybe for Houston if we make another move for a defensive minded center(probably gotta trade Bari and Tari) not the most exciting move but both players are flawed “allstars” with equal perceived value in the league… probably I don’t love it and we could probably do better to find better fits with Reed and Amen
Lord no! Banchero is the definition of fool’s gold. The only thing that sets him apart is passing, which is also a strength of Sengun. If we are trading Sengun it should be for a young rim protector and draft picks. My favorite target would be Ware, but not sure Miami would like the Sengun fit and I don’t think they have great picks to offer.
That's crazy. Their trade values are miles apart. Paolo is one of the most negative assets in the league. Paolo has $250M guaranteed remaining and simply doesn't have a role in which he is a good player. He's never had a positive net rating on the court in his career, the all-in-one metrics say he's a negative for Orlando every year, he's worse than Sengun scoring at the rim, mid range, and from 3, and a worse passer and he's a poor defender with worse impact metrics and way lower stl% and blk% than Sengun. Meanwhile Sengun is an actual star who has driven success for a very good team, getting paid waaay less. He's one of the best contracts in basketball.
I’ll admit I’m shocked how poorly Paolo has developed. I thought he was a much better prospect than Sengun, but the reality is that he’s not. Sengun is just a much better player in virtually every category. And as CH said, the contract is an enormous value difference. I might be wrong, but I think there are different tiers of rookie max extension money and Paolo may even be making more than Chet and JWill. Doesn’t mean Paolo can’t make a big jump, but right now I’m pretty sure most GMs would rather have Sengun.
I think the Paolo deal had escalators built in, but it depends on him making an All-NBA team, winning MVP, or DPOY. I don't think he gets an All-NBA team spot, MVP, or DPOY. I'm pretty sure Chet and JW have some form of escalator as well, but I think theirs might be more conditional/partial if I remember correctly.
JW had the all nba one which is why his injury sucks so bad, he could have cost an extra 5% of the cap but okc got lucky as hell he got hurt
Yeah I totally forgot to bring up the contracts for each player. You right, Sengun > Banchero considering their contracts
Orlando may have really missed the mark by passing over Chet (who many of us had #1 in that draft). Now I don’t feel as bad about our Bari pick. I still think Bari is a role player, but I’d rather be paying him $24 mil per than pay Paolo twice that.
Wow, you really aren't paying attention. We brought in Fred, then we brought in Steven, then we signed DFS, resigned Fred, and brought in Durant. We are already several miles down that road, and even if we wanted to double-back, are young guys are just a bunch of role players that no one can build around.
If we win a championship with Giannis, KD, and leftovers.... who really cares? Giannis isn't my first choice, but acting like he's still not a top 5 player is just madness. Hoping Mitchell becomes available.
I'm very worried about this. When jobs are on the line, patience gets much shorter. I can so easily see Stone making a bad move for a quick fix just to save his own ass.
Hard pass on Paolo. Don't want any flawed, bad-shooting, no-defense ball dominant prospects that are going to lead us down the wrong path. Whole point is to get out of our roster construction mess and find a guy who can legitimately be the best player on a championship team, after all. At this point I think you're looking at trading KD and/or Sengun to take on bad contracts in order to get back maximum picks/prospects and kind of soft reset the rebuild. So you're talking to teams like PHI, GSW, NYK, etc. Maybe you buy out the guys you get back, maybe not. There's not really another obvious path forward that isn't just treading water in one way or another.
I don't think it's really one or the other. The real question is about positive asset management and accumulation in the context of Giannis. If I was GM: The goal is accumulating as many assets, talent, and quality contracts in order to sustain deep playoff runs year after year after year. .... Put that asside and yes, in theory building, keeping, and developing a wealth of young talent is the best way to do that. But.... What if one of your young players just signed on for a huge extension, AND had a season where his weaknesses are so exposed that it almost surely will lead to him developing reputational harm that could lead to a market demand collapse, and his contract quickly become an albatross around the neck of the teams finances?? .... I think that's where the Sengun for a veteran star player talk really starts. I like you am not sold on Giannis by any stretch, but its something that Stone needs to look at, and while Giannis might not be the answer given the salary he'll command, the additional picks that'll need to be included, and the shortening of the runway that this would potentially lead to, I do believe that the idea of looking to potentially trade Sengun for another all star player cannot be ruled out, and I think it would be wise to look at seriously if I was Stone. But I first would like to see what other trade options are out there for Sengun.
