I think most Americans would have been happy with just removing criminals and calling a spade a spade. I think many Americans are completely ignorant to what mass deportation would look like. It would 100% crush the homebuilding economy. My guess is that this year it gets way worse, and Trump finally pulls back once all his rich friends shoot him a call to stop the madness. That would be my guess. Really hoping it doesn't get to that point but its sickening watching hardworking Americans get taken off job sites they are building for LEGAL Americans. Its hypocritical for Americans to want mass deportation as they live in their homes which were built off illegals. If not hypocritical we could call it extremely ignorant.
That's actually a conceptual polling failure. Years ago I read a story about Israelis polled about whether they wanted peace with the Palestinians, nearly 100% responded that yes, they were entirely behind a peace deal with the Palestinians. But when they actually started asking questions about what concrete things they would be willing to give up as part of that deal, the majority of the population was only willing to make extremely minor compromises or no compromises at all in order to secure that peace - they like the abstract idea of peace but only on their own winner-take-all terms. Conceptually and theoretically people don't like the idea of illegal immigrants. Actually being willing to "make the sausage" is something else entirely, and good polsters should be very aware of that in asking such questions, but often aren't, intentionally or not. (I'm sure some biased polsters utilise this to try and shift opinion.) You get a distorted vision of what the public is ACTUALLY willing to tolerate if you don't ask questions with tangible and concrete details. Asking non-concrete questions, you are basically only asking about what you'd like in a perfect, theoretical, Platonic world.
NOW we have the details on why the federal prosecutors resigned. This is clear political interference in law enforcement. Senior officials pressured prosecutors to drop a civil rights investigation because it contradicted Trump's public statements. Potentially obstruction of justice? In normal times, this would be a major scandal. The orders, they said, came from senior officials, including Kash Patel, the F.B.I. director, several of whom worried that pursuing a civil rights investigation — by using a warrant obtained on that basis — would contradict President Trump’s claim that Ms. Good “violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer” who fired at her as she drove her vehicle. Over the next few days, top Department of Justice officials presented alternative approaches. First, they suggested prosecutors ask a judge to sign a new search warrant for the vehicle, predicated on a criminal investigation into whether the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent who shot Ms. Good, Jonathan Ross, had been assaulted by her. Later, they urged the prosecutors to instead investigate Ms. Good’s partner, who had been with Ms. Good on the morning of the shooting, confronting immigration agents in their Minneapolis neighborhood. Several of the career federal prosecutors in Minnesota, including Mr. Thompson, balked at the new approach, which they viewed as legally dubious and incendiary in a state where anger over a federal immigration crackdown was already boiling over. Mr. Thompson and five others left the office in protest, setting off a broader wave of resignations that has left Minnesota’s U.S. attorney’s office severely understaffed and in crisis. Officials have not said whether they ultimately obtained a new warrant to search the vehicle.
Polls aren't that inconsistent. When asked a SIMPLE yes/no question, a small majority (50-60%) said yes to deporting all undocumented immigrants. But when asked about specifics, the answer is very different. Much less support for workplace raids, military involvement, detention camps, family separations, community disruption, economic impacts, anything involving children, and so on. People only heard about the simple yes/no question and that's what Republicans ran on (and Democrats folded and conceded completely on). But the polls, even before the election, already showed how UNPOPULAR all these current methods and impacts were back then. It's not a surprise. It just wasn't fully covered or debated.
B-Bob; letting y’all know not much has changed here with Homan we aren’t seeing much different. ICE is still going door to door and were active in North Minneapolis this weekend. I saw them late Friday night in South Minneapolis while I was driving. I noticed a dark SUV that appeared stuck in a snow bank and then on the side someone standing in all black body armor. I didn’t stop as they’ve been arresting people who have even inadvertently gotten close to them. We had three incidents last week involving Jake Lang. the first where he went to. Local brew pub and got into an argument with the staff before he was kicked out. The next day he went to the State Capitol and kicked over an ice sculpture that said “Prosecute ICE”. The statue was permitted so he was arrested for destruction of property but was released the next day. On Friday he drove by the Whipple Federal building in the back of a U-Haul with a large wooden cross and some bags of ice which his supporters were throwing some of his supporters shot one of the protesters with a pepper ball leading to a riot that was put down by state police. This has been one of the biggest fears that outside agitators would Come in and cause trouble but other than a few incidents most protests have been very peaceful. in other news the DHS and DOJ here is having a lot of trouble holding onto legal staff and several attorneys working for them have quit. They are losing a lot of court cases as staff are both overworked but also having to make arguments in court that are not legally supported. Things still pretty much feel the same here with still a lot of tension. Most people here are not expecting things to change anytime soon. For Houston have been getting several reports that ICE is having to release a lot of people who have been sent to Texas. They are releasing many in Houston with little resources to be able to get back to Minnesota. I have reached out to some in Houston to see if can get help for these people.
Thanks for the update. I wonder if there is a way we can volunteer to help those displaced in Houston.
Thank you for the reply when you've got better things to do. That's not good to hear. I will find some orgs for donations in Minneapolis. Best of luck and you take good care of yourself. I feel like the rest of us are sleepwalking around thinking the paramilitary won't ever show up in our cities like this. Sigh.
I guess my point is that many people are saying yes when asked if they think all undocumented immigrants should be deported without thinking about what would have to happen to make it a reality. They perhaps lazily assume there is some orderly way that these people can be removed and there just isn't. It is just impossible to do in less than a generation without racial profiling, 4th amendment violations, occasional police brutality, citizen deportations, family separations, targeting 'the good ones', damage to communities, hamstringing industries, increasing prices, reduced sales, peaceful demonstrations, violent riots, and everything else that liberals have been crying about this whole time. We also misremember how we got to this point, forgetting how we blithely looked the other way so that companies could exploit this vulnerable labor to reduce prices for us. Instead we want to blame the migrants for 'not doing it the right way' (that doesn't exist) when they accepted the tacit offer that we made them to come work for cheap as long as you keep it on the down-low. That is, if we're not ridiculously blaming the democrats for a diabolical plan to import voters. What I'm saying is, if you say yes to mass deportation, understand you must also have all these bad things. If that's still what you want knowing the cost of getting it, fine. But it is some magical thinking that we can have mass deportation at all without doing those unsavory things. (But you know what you can have without all those costs (save perhaps the demonstrations and riots)? Mass amnesty. You can take all those people who have been living here peacefully for decades, doing work for you, attending mass with you, going to the PTA with you, and just make them citizens. Communities remain intact, rights respected, industries keep churning. The one big difference might be that now these new citizens now have the bargaining power to demand a competitive wage, and everyone's salaries go up.)
Nothing to see here folks just letters from children imprisoned in a Texas concentration camp run by white supremacist monsters at the behest of a tyrannical regime headed by a bunch of pedophile sex traffickers
People think that we can maybe just go back to the way we are going before - no, we cannot. But also need to let go of what "we can do" and "can't do" - if Trump can abolish government agencies unilaterally, do all sorts of crimes, take stakes in private companies, turn the DOJ inot his own law firm - when he is gone, we can do other things. Among the things to do is to put companies like CoreCivic and other ICE friendly companies out of business. This would not be hard simply allow them to be sued, but I wouldn't be opposed to government receivership & other extraordinary remedies
Fully agree. I’d just add that people frequently skip over actual thinking when making decisions or giving answers. Classic case of heuristic thinking in the wild.
$45 billion. Not an exaggeration, that's the amount allocated in the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" for private, for-profit ICE detention.
Sure there is, they could all just return to their country of origin. It isn't going to happen, but that is an orderly way they could all be removed.
There is nothing orderly about removing 11+ million people from the United States, by force or voluntarily.
Not smart on the women's part. All it takes is one radicalized person to put hands on you in that situation and then the hive mentality takes over.
Which Tax Dollars are paying $175 a day to imprison them in private prisons. This isn't about deportation it is about incarceration and grifting for Trump's Jail owning friends. DD
Since that won't happen, let's maybe focus on policy solutions that can work in real life. Besides that, some of the negative consequences we expect from forced removal will also attain with voluntary removal -- reduced economic activity, workforce loss in some industries, disruption in communities, and separation of families. That isn't a solution I want. I want everyone to stay and be normalized. We can pull the ladder up now if we want with an immigration control policy that actually works. But, for the people who have already come and integrated in our society, I have no interest in trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
