PnR Handler Ranks (PPP): PGKD #11, Reed #23, Amen #43. Amen Usage > KD [NOW! Thats What I Call $#*!]

Doesn't account for turnovers.......and transition D off those turnovers.

DD

 

Dude I just watched the game the other day where KD had 8 turnovers, and single handedly lost the game lol. Whenever he makes a pass I cringe because 1/3 of them seem to get picked off. Dude's an amazing finisher and one of the best shooters of all time. But I don't want him running point guard lol

 

Are you joking? We have lost tons of games this year due to turnovers and layups at the other end.

Your analysis is offensively oriented only, it is missing half the court....doesn't account for turnovers, or poor possessions - everyone know Durant can shoot......what about when he doesnt' get a shot up, are those possessions counted?

DD

 

I don’t need some numbers to tell me if KD should be running the point. No! Their offensive sets, starting at the top of the key, with defenders on them…trash offense. Just go get a half decent PG, that has a decent shot, that will really change so much.

 

Our transition D Is garbage overall. We give up layups on made baskets

 

I really don't understand why they don't use KD more at PnR.

 

@kennysmith
Those stats are directly from nba.com. fwiw: they do count turnovers. What they don’t count is assists, and they don’t count the rest of the team’s possession off of any pass, or rebound.

The stat only counts shots by the handler, free throws by the handler, and TOs by the handler. So, it’s basically just “what does Durant shoot when he’s the PnR handler + turnovers.”

He’s our best shooter, by far. Naturally he will be more efficient at just about any shot. But, that’s not what we think of when we think of a PnR handler,,,we think about assists, too.

bottomline:
The Play Type stats are not very useful. The Points Per Possession column leads fans to think it has the same meaning as ORtg/PPP for the team. But it is far from it. It’s just about when the player shoots, is fouled, or turns the ball over in that role…assists are not counted, nor the rest of the team’s possession.

@Easy , you and I have discussed the meaning of ppp on playtype stats, after researching, I’m pretty confident in the above, which imo makes them uninteresting. It’s like, how can we measure who is a good PnR handler, if we don’t count assist. What purpose does it serve to only count when they shoot?​

 

Play-type stats are not a measure of how often we use Durant in that role. It’s only a measure of his shot diet, relative to all the other shots he takes.

 

Personal Play-Type stats are just a shot diet stat.

So, it means out of all his shots (and TOs), 17.5% are when he’s the PNR handler. It just means he shoots in more diverse ways than Shai or Luka or Ant. His diversity is what he’s known for.

Here’s his breakdown per your stats:
19.7% ISO
17.5% PnR Handler
15.7% Spot-up
13.8% Transition
7.8% Handoff
7.6% Off screen
7.6% Post Up
4.8% Miscellaneous
2.4% Cut
2.0% PnR Roll Man
1.1% Putback
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100%​

imo, Shot Diet stats are not that interesting. Fans see PPP, and are led to believe it means more that it does.

 

not sure if you didn't include his spot up numbers on purpose

 

I told you my memories aren't very reliable. Now you mention it, I remember. Do you know where we can find numbers that counts points scored by the TEAM off of the play?

And it would be meaningful to compare his PnR scoring and ISO scoring.