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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

    15.6%
  1. TheFreak

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    After all that, they’re still ranked in the top 10 in draft capital going into the offseason. Yet you’re arguing elsewhere that firing the GM behind it is the best thing the team could do right now.
     
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  3. Hey Now!

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    He should absolutely be fired. Do you really want Nick Caserio addressing our offensive needs? The guy who signed Cam Robinson, Laken Tomlinson, Nick Chubb; traded for Christian Kirk; and then had the audacity to claim the offense was good enough to beat any team? Yeah, fire Caserio into the sun.
     
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  4. zeeshan2

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    Caserio would get picked up instantly lol. He turned that dumpster fire around with his picks. Sure he can't hit on O line but he can hit on almost everything else
     
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  5. cmoak1982

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    Just get anyone else to pick the Oline
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    OK? NFL teams lining up to make a poor decision doesn't erase Caserio's track record here.
     
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  7. zeeshan2

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    what are some of the worst blunders he's made? the second rounder for diggs? the trade down to get kenyon green and forgoing kyle hamilton and jordan davis? blake fisher in the 2nd? The guy has made a lot of hits and you got a team that has won 3 playoff games in 3 years and 2 AFCS divison champs with top 10 draft capital with few holes at least on one side of the ball
     
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  8. Hey Now!

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    He hired David Culley and (after being wrestled to the ground before he could hire Josh McNown) Lovie Smith. He has populated the offensive coaching staff with his cronies. He addressed glaring needs on offense by bargain-bin shopping for offensive linemen and trading for/signing has-been playmakers (Chubb & Kirk). Even Mixon and Diggs were older, discounted players *let go by playoff teams*. And now he's being a pissy baby claiming the offense is fine and it's everybody's else fault.

    Prior to Ryans' arrival, he selected 14 players in the draft, and hit on 3 (Nico, Sting, & Pitre) and he did not add one significant free agent that is currently on the roster.

    I've detailed his failings so many times, it's exhausting. He has some big hits he gets to stand on - but almost everything around those have been hot garbage.
     
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    Diggs has been pretty good for Maye and he was good for the Bills; just see their wr room now after shakir. Kirk helped us in the playoffs but I fault our OC for not playing Higgins and Noel more also. Mixon was good last year and he sure would have helped this year. 8M is also pretty cheap for a good RB.

    I do agree on the lame duck coaches, his FA's(he did hit on Ingram or was that a trade? Same with Mason for that one year) and his OL and his OC; I am tired of the NE way.
     
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  10. Blatz

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    I always felt like they had their eyes on DeMeco before Smith and were basically just waiting for him.
     
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    I think fans give Caserio far too much credit for the moves on the defensive side of the ball. I think it was all DM.

    The only thing I think Caserio has a solid handle on is the cap.
     
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  12. Blatz

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    Does he get credit for the offensive side?
     
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    Does he? Look at his track record before coach got here. It’s like he was drafting to keep the team bad. Hasn’t it been his call getting OC’s that he has familiarity with? Has DeMeco trusted Caserio on the offensive side of the ball? I can’t really say for sure.

    I personally think it’s time for a change at GM. You may feel differently and that’s ok.

    I also feel like it’s time to try to find another QB. Easier said than done.
     
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  14. GOATuve

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    Just get rid of Stroud.
     
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  15. TheFreak

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    Great argument - listing all the moves (you think) didn’t work out and ignoring everything else. All are coincidentally low risk moves that cost the team nothing long term. This sounds like a perfect argument for talk radio - have you tried calling into 790 with this take?

    Actually I want the coaches having major input into the personnel. Speaking of that, do you think it was Casero’s idea to hire Slowik? I assume you’d rather Demeco have control over his staff rather than Caserio, correct? If so, does Slowik bear no responsibility for the offensive personnel selected during his tenure? Or did you want Nick to take over picking guys for Slowik’s system?

    I don’t really have to try hard at all to argue Caserio shouldn’t be fired, as a pretty succinct bulletproof argument has already been made in this thread (maybe take it up with the author):

    “The Texans were 3-13-1 in '22; they had no business winning 10, 10 and 12 games in the subsequent seasons. That's not how rebuilds go.”
     
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  16. astrosrule

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    Depending on what numbers you like, Stroud was 12th in total EPA and 10th in EPA/play (b/c of the missed games). Assuming the goal is to be better next season and not worse/tank, you would want an upgrade. The only qb who had a higher epa/play that could be gettable is daniel jones. Assuming he'd be back around mid season, is that your target? Mac jones could be available but he's put up a negative EPA every season without Shanny, and i assume it's fair to say he can't bring Shanny with him (even with Shanny he wasn't better than CJ this season). Mills obviously is trash, would be purely for tanking. Who do you actually want? Would you be happy with someone worse just for the sake of having someone that's not CJ?
     
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    Question - what coaches on the market when Culley and Lovie were hired are still employed as head coaches? If there are any, which of those are better than Demeco? Of course all of this assumes that Caserio was 100% responsible for hiring those coaches, which if he is, (and this is I’m sure inconvenient for you) you have to also give him credit for the Demeco hire. That of course assumes you are interested in being consistent.

    Somewhat related, did you also have an issue with the Bo Porter hire? What about Stephen Silas?

    Regarding the offensive coaching staff. If we take your “cronies” assertion at face value (BIG assumption, given your other claims and biases) - what evidence do you have that Caserio would overrule any offensive staffing suggestion from Demeco? I have to again refer to the Slowik hire here, since I doubt he was on anyone’s list for an OC position (least of all Caserio’s) before landing here.

    I think the argument you actually WANT to make for getting rid of Caserio - “New England bad! BOB bad! EASTERBY!!!” - would be better than anything else you’ve presented here.
     
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    I think Caserio is an excellent GM choice for getting a team from bad to pretty good. I think he has shown that to be his ceiling, or at least certainly not shown that I should have confidence that his ceiling can be higher. I would thank him for getting the ship turned around, and move on to another GM who can take it to the next level. I don’t think Caserio can or will.
     
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  19. GOATuve

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    Numbers are numbers but Stroud just isn't it. I've watched every game he's played as as a Texan and he just isn't itin my opinion. Jones could be but he's been up and down and like you said who knows when and what he'll be when he returns. I want Burrow. Probably a pipe dream but it does seem he might be available. Problem obviously being what it will take to get him and I doubt Cincinnati wants Stroud. Someone is going to have to pay him. I just don't want it to be us
     
  20. astrosrule

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    But someone has to play qb. If not CJ, who? Burrow obviously isn’t reality. Neither is allen or mahomes or lamar. So who?
     

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