What does a Sengun + Tari/Bari + Filler trade package realistically get you?

He can be traded, it's just difficult to make the money work.

He counts as $12.35m outgoing salary for the Rockets but the team that he lands on, he counts for the average salary of his extension which is about $24.5m.

That's what makes it hard to pull off.

Most trades have to be within 120%+100k, the bigger that extra 20% gets, the easier it is to make work.
(I say most because 2A teams don't work the same, they can't take back $1 more than they sent out.)

 

Interesting. It really highlights the divide. Not to be so naive as to presume "likes" matter on a regular basis, but in this case it just might be a reflection...

Your post and my post have almost identical "likes" as we took essentially polar opposite positions. I think that really underscores how unsettled the fan base is w/ Sengun.

I respect some of the callouts you shared. I'd only submit some semblance of context really does offset some of your arguments. Stewart, Zubac, Draymond...you're talking about 3 top 10 defensive bigs among heavy minute rim protectors. Indeed, Sengun typically doesn't have his best games against those guys but can you show me anyone who does? It might be a bit misleading to use those guys as the callouts - no?

Anyways, lets see how this unfolds in to the deadline. I am pretty disgruntled w/ how fast Alpi came back, how much he's struggling on D (clearly showing he wasn't ready to come back), and how much he's become predisposed to ISO's (w/out passing) after his incredible success earlier in the season.

There are issues. But he's got a multiple year track record that places his baseline value - as 23 y/o all-star on a well below max contract - as one of the elite non-pick trade assets in the league (re: top 15 - top 25 assets). On a max, he'd be considerably lower. But you talked about his current worth and man I gotta tell you I think it's way higher than you think despite the negatives.

 

Take a breathe big easy. The guy I responded to said Sengun was not worth nearly what some think.. here's why he is:

23 y/o all-star, well below max, = great trade asset.

You can cry about a whole bunch of stuff (and you sure did! lol) but those facts remain undeterred. Superstar level of play? The dude was top 10 in the MVP ladder for the first 2 months. Did you miss his late-game dominance over DPOY and All-NBA defenders? You just a hater to THAT degree?

And JG is the man. I love JG. Yes he had full-on months of play here at Superstar level. Cry more?

 

Wish I'd read this instead of replying to people this morning. I'd have just quote-replied your post. This is as precise and simple as it gets.

 

Do not want LeChina, LeCommie, or Lebiiitch

 

idk... but it better be a haul...

You sure cant get any kind of accurate barometer from our site - lol! Folks always have unrealistic views of the players on their own team... typically they overvalue mid level players (like PBev) and undervalue players (like Dillon) bc they are far too aware of their shortcomings... Ive been unimpressed with Sengun lately - he's seeming soft and selfish, like stuff has gone to his head and he thinks he can just coast... but if u put anybody under a microscope (as we do here on CF) their flaws are painfully evident - but aint nobody perfect and anybody coming back would have their own blemishes...

 

Do you see the amount of effort he has to put in trying to back a player down from the 3 point line?

I'm sick of some of the shots he takes too.

His coaching absolutely does excuse the vast majority of them.

 

DFS makes 12.7M, and 9 teams can absorb that salary without sending salary back. I don't think it is a coincidence that DFS's salary is enough to cover the poison pill and his deal being only 2 years guaranteed likely means it doesn't take much to move it.

JSJ isn't being dealt unless it is to bring in someone really good. I just don't see what the big deal is. If JSJ didn't have the poison pill, DFS would have to be included to make salaries match. The draft compensation (a couple of 2nds maybe) needed to take DFS would go to the team receiving JSJ if no poison pill. With poison pill, the draft compensation needed to include DFS just goes to a third team, one of these 9 teams. Maybe it is slightly more to get a third team involved. Granted, with JSJ's salary going up after this seasn, DFS would likely need to be routed to one of those 9 teams anyway if there wasn't a poison pill.

The poison pill is just a temporary thing that only factors into matching salary during the trade, but it disappears once the trade occurs (i.e., team is not actually paying JSJ the poison pill amount this season).

 

Yes. Because, of what degree is Alpi an All - Star? To me, an All-Star takes over games down the stretch. Not every game but most. That does not signify Alpi.

He still has stamina issues. He tends to lose rebounds or does not rebound out of his range, shots fall short and rarely if ever carries the team down the stretch. All-Stars do things the avg player does not.

I think he's a good player but not an All-Star

 

2025-26 NBA Team Salary Cap Tracker
NBA Trade Exceptions

It's actually 8.

One with cap space, 7 with trade exceptions - you are counting New Orleans twice to get to 9. (6 of those exceptions expire with the league year, the other three before next years deadline)

Now tell us what team is going to eat two years of 8.2% of a cap hit for less than a first round pick?

And then you still have Jabari's base amount to match.


I don't think Jabari is being moved at all .... just explaining - YES, it can be done.

It's just infinitely more complicated to do than a simple exchange of matching contracts and is often not worth the price because no one is taking on money for nothin.

 

"Happily defer?!" Wtf? No they didn't, they saw what everybody else saw, a very pissed off KD looking at Sengun like he's a crazy person every time he did it. Then the team called a meeting to address that hierarchy and now Sengun's playing like ass in his sulk.

 

You mixing up timelines homey.
I explicitly wrote for the first "2 months" of the Season KD was happily deferring. I point you to literally ANY postgame KD interview for the first 2 months as my evidence. It was a part of the season Sengun's ISO scoring was at an MVP rate against defensive monsters. You think I mean as he can barely move on defense and keeps turning the ball over on offense after returning? I mean just put me on block if you think I'd say some **** like that.

I was alluding to the timeframe that generated the clutch stats below. Moreover, you can see that for 24/25 (2nd image below) Alpi's was effectively an MVP level outcome initiating offense from the right block and the FT line. That wasn't for 2 weeks, or 2 months, it was for the full season. It's why IME seems obsessed w/ force feeding Alpi the ball down there...it's the same as giving the ball to Shai at the 3p line...not bad, right?

I get it. He's sucked for a few weeks. And he was not playing at his early season level even b4 that...I get it. He's still worth way more than whatever you guys think he's worth and he's still way better than whatever the last few weeks have somehow convinced you is his baseline.

 

In what universe did I say Sengun sucked or I wanted him traded? All i said was, nobody has recently seen KD defer, they've seen KD complain, the team call a meeting, and Alpi respond like a sulky little child. Hopefully he snaps out of it soon and we can get our young star back instead of whoever the **** he's pretending to be on the court right now.

 

LOL then that was a waste of both of our time. You didn't read my context and then not to be doutdone I inferred far more from your statement than you meant haha

Anyways, go Rockets!

 

You do realize MLEs can be used as trade exceptions now? My count is 8 MLEs and 1 cap space team. It might be more than 9 teams as I didn't look at trade exceptions to see if there were teams without cap space or an MLE left with a trade exception. DFS was signed at MLE with the Rockets knowing MLEs could be used to match DFS's contract to cover JSJ's poison pill.

It might take a FRP. Let's assume FRP as this is not worth arguing over.

Let's say deal was JSJ +3 FRPS + DFS for Murphy without poison pill. With poison pill, that becomes JSJ + 2 FRPs for Murphy and DFS and a FRP to a 3rds team. NOP isn't taking DFS for nothing. The poison pill just moves whatever the cost is to cover DFS to a third team. Maybe there is a little extra to a 3rd team like a SRP to help facilitate the deal.

I just don't see how changing DFS and FRP from going to the team with JSJ to a third team is infinitely more complicated. Almost all deals the Rockets would do with JSJ without a poison pill would be of the format of JSJ + DFS + other salary or stuff (optional) + X FRPs. With a poison pill, that just becomes JSJ + other salary or stuff (optional) + X-1 FRPs for player they want and DFS + FRP to a third team. I get there is additional work that has to be done, I just would expect that the Rockets front office can figure out how to work around the poison pill at least 95% of the time they find a deal they would do without the poison pill. Probably would take less than a day.

Yes it can be done. Yes, it isn't much more complicated than without the poison pill as the Rockets conveniently have a salary that covers the poison pill and fits into the cap space of 1 team, 8 teams that have MLEs still, and potentially more teams that have a trade exception without an MLE.

 

What if it got us Giannis?

 

name the players you'd rather build around than Alpi based on their performance on the games they have played thi season?

 

We had over a decade where we placed zero emphasis on growing home talent. Now we have it and this place throws a b****fit everytime one of our young guys has a bad stretch. I’m definitely guilty of it with Jabari but some of these dudes are 21 years old

enough with the trade them every other game bs

 

Lmao, no way people actually think like this.