ICE executes a defenseless citizen (Murder #2)

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/was-this-a-murder-too-far

 

Federal law does supersede state law, but the Constitution supersedes both. That’s the basic constitutional hierarchy.

Judges don’t exist to rubber‑stamp what voters want. Their job is to decide whether government actions are lawful under the Constitution. An independent judiciary prevents majority rule from trampling constitutional rights.

The 4th Amendment protects against unreasonable searches and requires a judicial warrant for forced home entries. A federal judge found that ICE violated the 4th Amendment by entering a home without a judicial warrant, even though the agency has an internal (secret) memo saying agents can use administrative warrants instead, a policy that conflicts with basic constitutional requirements for home searches.

Supreme Court precedents like Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor make clear that deadly force is only justified when an officer reasonably believes there is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm, judged by objective reasonableness. These standards apply to all law enforcement, including federal agents. Based on available footage, a proper investigation should determine whether this standard was met. The footage raises serious questions about whether the standard was satisfied. The problem is the DOJ has prejudged the outcome and blocked investigations.

The administration has implied the shooting was justified because the person was carrying a firearm. If that were taken as legal justification alone, it would conflict with the 2nd Amendment as affirmed by the Supreme Court in decisions like Heller and Bruen, which protect the right to possess and carry arms.

These are constitutional requirements that apply regardless of who is in power or how many votes a candidate received. The Constitution doesn’t change with elections.


US Judge Rules ICE Raids Require Judicial Warrants, Contradicting Secret ICE Memo | WIRED

U.S. Constitution | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

 

To add to this, local law enforcement doesn't have jurisdiction to enforce immigration issues so they shouldn't be forced to comply with ICE if they don't want to. ICE does not have jurisdiction over citizens. Lastly, murder is a state crime, so I find it unlawful for the federal government to block local investigation of that crime.

 

This post should be stickied. Its sad you had to state this, but it doesn't get any clearer than this

 

Long video, but summarizes what the point of all this is

 

No - the MAGA and hardline Republican group is myopic on this issue. They really believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans has no issues with the behavior of ICE and the handling of ICE and the National Guard by President Trump. They used to define the protestors as Marxist extremists, but as the crowds grow larger and larger - they now claim they are all paid to protest.

I am not shocked they are out of touch - we saw it with the liberals on issues from transgendered people, ANTIFA and violent protests and the border.

The majority of Americans do not want the nonsense that the Trump administration is doing, and people are not stupid, they know they are being gas lit. As long as protestors are not shooting or burning things down, MAGA will get more and more out of touch.

 

Their priorities are so out of whack.

 

FAFO

 

An American that thinks for himself and doesn't believe LEO should be interfered with when doing the job that Trump was elected to do. Remove illegals from this country. Do you not think people that are here illegally have broken the law, or do you not understand the definition of the word illegal.

 

they absolutely are. these are bad people with no morals or sense of right and wrong.

the same people who want to deify someone who said they would be scared to fly on a plane piloted by a black pilot are the same ones who get their feelings hurt to see a memorial to someone killed by ICE after he tried to help up a woman who an ICE "officer" shoved down.

 

As I take a higher level view of where we are as a country, I realize that the biggest change over the last couple of decades is the erosion of trust. I think that has been accelerated by news media and social media. It has also been part of the political strategy. People don't trust government, they don't trust leadership, they don't trust people on the other side of the political spectrum, they don't trust the police, they don't trust science, they don't trust organized religion, they don't trust anything. To move forward and accomplish anything, there has to be some trust and good faith. It's only going to get worse with deepfakes and AI. You know Putin feels pretty good about where we are.

 

A man was murdered in cold blood exercising his rights and you are justifying it. There’s no 2 sides of this; it’s right and wrong. You are wrong.

 

If we can’t all agree this is murder and wrong, there’s no point in even arguing anything with any sort nuance with human garbage like @raining threes. They’re hopeless

 

@basso
@Salvy
@ROXRAN
dude even Mexico doesn’t like illegals

because ILLEGAL means NO BUENO breh!

 

Alex Pretti's colleagues have a moment of silence in his honor.

 

Before World War II, there was a large level of distrust in the US government by people across the political spectrum. They saw the USA did not provide benefits for the Civil War soldiers, many of them were scamps or homeless. They would go and protest outside the White House. After WWI started, the USA needed soldiers, and a skeptical public did not immediately call the need to die in Europe. The USA government decided that they would give US veterans in WWI "benefits", which were certificates that could be "cashed" in 1945. The soldiers, many of them in poverty demanded payment early, and they set up shanty towns around DC, which the government burned down and did not give them payment.

Then the Stock Market crashed and the retirement and savings of the common American were gone. Then because of the Dust Bowl, farmers lost their farms in record numbers (remember back then 1:3 Americans lived on a farm), and then immigrants continued to flood into the USA, which limited jobs for Americans.

Crime in the USA was at a new high, and outlaws and bandits ruled rule America with Bonnie and Clyde, Machine Gun Kelly and Charles Derringer.

The cities were largely ran by organized crime that has close relationships with local and some federal politicians.

There was boot legging and prostitution in every town.

There was very little respect or trust for local and Federal government. There were newspapers that sprung up that were not remotely truthful, and supported radical forms of government - from fascism to communism. Anarchists were detonating explosives fairly regularly.

The trust in government was re-established because of FDR, and more so, how the USA handled WWII and the prosperity and order that came out of it.

Ever since Vietnam there has been some degree of erosion in trust for the government - and I think the death of the WWII generation, coupled with the internet and social media allowing for anyone, regardless of lack of credentials or education, to have their opinions on important topics heard.

We are in the beginnings of a new social order - the first in 75 years, and it is scary. I suspect something really bad will happen, and a new order will be established out of the ashes.... as was the case after the Civil War, the Great Depression and WWII.

 

Wow, would you look at all those "domestic terrorists" -- pretty scary. ICE better get fully armored with plenty of backup before they ever consider visiting that hospital...

Spoiler

especially since it takes 10 bullets per nurse, minimum...

 

leftist agitators realize they can use sonic weapons like car horns and whistles against law enforcement and still claim claim innocence if it causes an officer to make a mistake

the purpose is violence and chaos

 

I don't know what changed with him, but I watch him on a bunch on podcasts for The Bulwark and he comes off as a very rational, grounded, likeable guy. If I didn't know better I would think he had no affiliation with either party. He is very, very critical of current Republicans. He certainly doesn't speak like a Republican apologist, calls Mineapolis "an occupation" and isn't at all restrained about calling Good and Pretti both murders.

Its hard to rationalize with the role he used to play and how much I used to think of him in the same light as Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld.

A recent example -