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ICE murders civilian in Minneapolis

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  1. tmacfor35

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    What was my take on Pretti? Since I literally agreed with liberals on it. What was your issue with my take lmao?
     
  2. HP3

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    Awful take. AWFUL take. A man who is within his constitutional rights should not have to be worried about ICE assaulting him. A man who was not engaging with ICE should not have been shot. Same with Renee good.

    The only thing that you said that is remotely true is your second sentence.
     
  3. tmacfor35

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    I’ve yet to see it. I’ve seen a bunch of people talk about actual things that happen on video.

    Then get called stupid.

    I’ve seen people say Goode get murdered. That’s a legit lie. There’s video evidence that her car could have killed an agent.

    Again….

    Logic isn’t jumping hula hoops so you can claim some morality over others. It’s just bizarre behavior.
     
  4. Salvy

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    What issues? It was an unfortunate but very avoidable death, the other one was too.. ICE is on edge, they should be. They also have families to go back home to. Why is this difficult? The more wokies don't stay at home the worse it will get....
     
  5. tmacfor35

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    I also said he got murdered. Well executed to be exact.

    He also had some responsibility for that happening. You know… for being there on purpose bringing a loaded weapon to an altercation. Stupid prize won. Darwin Award of the year for 2026. What’s the problem?
     
  6. Salvy

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    The word murder is only applied when they want to create a false narritive. When it's an illegal killing a little girl or American they switch up to accident or death.
     
  7. HP3

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    Good job for that.

    He was within his second amendment rights, but hey dont just go by me. Go by the NRA.

    https://www.1011now.com/2026/01/25/...t-about-minneapolis-shooting-dangerous-wrong/
     
  8. HP3

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    You know why you get called moron. Its because you do not argue in good faith and people get mad. You watched that video of Renee good and thought okay....case closed she had a car.

    You have an officer bias.
     
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    Why do you think he approached officers? He literally tried to disengage as soon as they approached him (not the other way around).


    Another question. Do you think he was out to cause mass casualties to law enforcement, as your government has said?
     
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  11. tmacfor35

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    Common sense bias. Understanding law.

    Watching a video. Seeing what happened. Is it right or wrong.

    It’s black and white.

    If officer doesn’t move. He is ran over and at a risk for death.

    Have cops died from being run over intentionally? Resounding yes.

    are vehicles considered deadly weapons? Yes

    did Darwin Good make eye contact at the officer in front of her car and proceed to almost run him over? Yes

    Is law enforcement under attack allowed to defend themselves? Yes

    It’s yes or no questions. It’s black or white. It’s not about feelings and rainbows. Sorry.
     
  12. HP3

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    Blowing a whistle and filming them isnt interfering you idiot. AND HES WITHHIN HIS LEGAL RIGHTS TO CARRY. Dont like it, talk to the NRA. He did not engage with any officer, he was helping a woman THEY ATTACKED. Took his CONCEALED GUN AND THEN SHOT HIM.
     
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    Should he have gone? No

    Is he likely radicalized by Dem media? Yes

    Should he have died/been executed? No

    Should Ice agent/agents go to jail who fired? Yes.

    Case closed
     
  14. tmacfor35

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    I’m impressed at the recent support for 2a amendment. It brings joy to my heart.
     
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    Since you were dealing with hypotheticals on your "her car COULD have killed an ice officer "

    I have to ask you would you still give him a darwin award if he was there unarmed?

    Let me try to bring some nuance out of you .

    You are claiming he gets a darwin award for putting himself in an unsafe situation, correct ?

    I think it could be reasonably be argued that you would say being there at all is putting yourself in a dangerous situation. , correct ?

    How much less safe did having the gun make him in your estimation ?

    Officers tackled him and started beating him before they knew he had a gun . It could be possible that an officer yells "gun" even if there wasn't one

    His weapon was concealed and by video evidence it looks like he was disarmed before he was shot.

    What role did the weapon play ?

    I can agree with your first The "he had some responsibility" only if you agree with My earlier post and argument ..
    My previous argument being that you should also give soldiers darwin awards for putting themselves in dangerous situations

    Inherently leaving the house has some risk.

    By this same logic a driver hit by a drunk driver at lets say 11pm should also win a darwin because there is some level of risk on driving at night .

    Can you help me draw the line ?

    And please , don't misrepresent the facts when you do .

    For instance , your use of the word altercation. The man did not show up to the middle of a fight . He was at a distance and the altercation was started with him
     
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    I’d argue the weapon played the biggest role to answer your question. It appears via video that when the gun was taken from him. That the agent accidentally misfired the weapon causing the accidental execution? Execution none the less.

    I’d argue if he didn’t bring his gun he wouldn’t have been killed due to the gun not going off. I’ve been clear that ICE seems like a group of mall cops at this point. I’m not a fan. But if you are going to go hang around stupid people then you are asking for it. He chose to do that.

    Him like Darwin Goode all decided to spend their off time in places they probably shouldn’t have gone.

    Part of survival is understanding risk.

    Not much a fan of the drunk driving idea as there’s not much control there but best believe I don’t hit the road late at night. I think Pretti had a lot more control in this situation as compared to a drunk driver but again I understand your thought process.
     
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    There is no hypocrisy in opposing gun violence while also opposing lethal force against someone for merely carrying a firearm. If you are a 2A absolutist, you should be outraged. If the gov can kill a man simply for carrying, the 2nd Amendment is meaningless.
     
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  18. HP3

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    Calling this “black and white” is exactly how you dodge the actual legal standard. The law isn’t “could a car theoretically kill someone.” Its was there a threat that justified the use of deadly force. That’s the part you keep skipping.

    Yes, cops have been killed by cars.
    Yes, cars can be deadly weapons.
    None of that answers the real questions:

    Was the officer actually trapped with no avenue to move?

    Was the car accelerating toward him or trying to maneuver away?

    Did the threat still exist at the exact moment shots were fired?

    Was lethal force the only reasonable option left?

    Those are fact-specific questions, not vibes or hypotheticals. Watching a video and saying “looks dangerous to me” isn’t how self-defense law works especially for law enforcement, who are held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
     
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    Its the only amendment you people seem to care about and you cant even stand by it.
     
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    :rolleyes:
    Why did they even go after hiim to begin with, they attacked him right? Mr. common sense lmao.

    I'd argue that it shouldnt matter, its victim blaming and the government is covering up for ICE agents already illegally doing things.

    ICE should not be there to begin with. They are well out of their jurisdiciton and have been for some time. These are people defending their communiites.

    And all you can say is 'well he shouldnt have been there"

    Mr. Common sense doesnt seem to have much common sense.
     
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