CJ Stroud: Draft BUST

NFL (at least the QB position) is becoming like baseball. It used to be the QBs will come in n suck for couple of years before they get better. Nowadays they come in blazing hot and start sucking. Just like in baseball, rookies would come in hot, then they figure 'em out.

 

TWICE? Dude had wide open lanes all game long and threw the ball up, he has no pocket presence or very poor pocket awareness at all.

You are not going to win with CJ - nothing significant - he just doesn't have it, the dude is a dud.....you need to build a ****ING wall around him to give him the time he needs and he has to CHECK down......all the time, half the sacks are him simply holding the ball too damned long.

And don't give me the BULLSHIT that he audibles, they are so slow getting to the line there is rarely any audible - how many flags do they get with him not getting the team to the line and ready to go?

Turns out the tests they took that said he wasn't a fast thinker were 100% accurate....

We need an upgrade. Someone with some FIRE to lead the charge....CJ ain't it.

DD

 

What? The Cowboys were the beneficiaries of that deal lol

 

I hope yall realize that the burrow thing is a pipe dream…

we could send CJ and 4 1sts for burrow and Cincinnati still won’t trade him.

Let’s be real here, we need to hope for a bounce back year from CJ.

 

Doubt that

 

burrow misses too many games for what he's going to be worth

 

I agree he gets hurt often but an elite talent like that is worth the gamble. Hopefully CJ bounces back next season so all this can be put to rest.

 

He has to. For our sake and his.

 

Burrow=Yordan

 

Haha that’s actually a pretty good comparison

 

Damn. That hits too hard

 

If it makes you feel better, Yordon is on a very team friendly contract.

 

Only slightly lol

 

After a night to sleep on this, I am still pissed but let's be honest CJ isn't going anywhere just yet............I think I am having the realization that this version of CJ is not elite and maybe he just isnt elite as he was his rookie year. Let's get the kid a real offensive OC with a scheme that works............this offensive scheme sucks and I think for CJ it is putting a round peg in a square hole. I don't want this to sound bad, but maybe he can't read a D like we think he can, I am not sure. I think CJ has to do some soul searching, the last 2 games, when we needed him most, were his 2 worst performances of the year. I think we will all have some PTSD next year if CJ continues this path.....up until the playoffs he was really great at not turning it over, so I ask, WTF happened. IMO the moment was too big for him and he tried too hard..........I say this seriously, the kid needs a sports shrink, and there is nothing wrong with that

My fandom was really bad the last 48 hours...............my biggest regret is this was the EASIEST path IMO and we may NAVER get that again. I expect Mahomes, Jackson to be back in the mix, the friggin Jags look legit and dont sleep on the Colts with Jones.

All I want for Xmas is Mark Fletcher Jr.................the kid is a beast

 

What have the Texans done to HELP CJ the last 2 seasons? Hire an inexperienced OC? Go TEMU shopping for Linemen? Draft a 4th round RB? When have they drafted a RB or TE above the 4th round? You drafted 2 WRs in the 2nd and 3rd round, but you haven't seen a WR drafted in Round 1 since Hopkins. Last 2 - 1st round Olinemen were Green and Howard. The Texans have neglicted the offense for WAY TOO LONG. Yes, you can get a Nico in the 3rd because he dropped in the draft. Ersey seems like a good 2nd round pick. However, the talent on the offense is lacking...big time.

 

Spoiler

2023-25

Texans
OCs: Bobby Slowik, Nick Caley
RBs: Joe Mixon, Devin Singletary, Woody Marks, Dameon Pierce, Nick Chubb, Jawhar Jordan, Dare Ogunbowale, Cam Akers, JJ Taylor
WRs: Nico Collins, Stefon Diggs, Tank Dell, Jayden Higgins, Jaylin Noel, Christian Kirk, Xavier Hutchinson, Noah Brown, Robert Woods, John Metchie
TEs: Dalton Schultz, Brevin Jordan, drafted his guy Cade Stover
OL:
Laremy Tunsil | Tytus Howard | Michael Deiter | Shaq Mason | George Fant
Laremy Tunsil | Kenyon Green | Juice Scruggs | Shaq Mason | Tytus Howard
Aireontae Ersery | Tytus Howard | Jake Andrews | Ed Ingram | Trent Brow

Chiefs
OCs: Matt Nagy (Andy Reid)
RBs: Isiah Pacheco, Kareem Hunt, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Brashard Smith, Jerick McKinnon, Carson Steele, Samaje Perine
WRs: Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy, DeAndre Hopkins, Hollywood Brown, Justin Watson, JuJu Smith-Schuster, TyQuan Thornton, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney, Mecole Hardman, Richie James, Justyn Ross
TEs: Travis Kelce, Noah Gray
OL:
Donovan Smith | Joe Thuney | Creed Humphrey | Trey Smith | Jawaan Taylor
Wanya Morris | Joe Thuney | Creed Humphrey | Trey Smith | Jawaan Taylor
Josh Simmons | Kingsley Suamataia | Creed Humphrey | Trey Smith | Jawaan Taylor

Bills
OCs: Ken Dorsey, Joe Brady
RBs: James Cook, Ray Davis, Latavius Murray, Ty Johnson,
WRs: Stefon Diggs, Khalil Shakir, Gabe Davis, Keon Coleman, Josh Palmer, Tyrell Shavers, Brandin Cooks, Mack Hollins, Amari Cooper, Curtis Samuel, Elijah Moore
TEs: Dalton Kincaid, Dawson Knox, Jackson Hawes
OL:
Dion Dawkins | Connor McGovern | Mitch Morse | O'Cyrus Torrence | Spencer Brown
Dion Dawkins | David Edwards | Connor McGovern | O'Cyrus Torrence | Spencer Brown
Dion Dawkins | David Edwards | Connor McGovern | O'Cyrus Torrence | Spencer Brown

Ravens
OCs: Todd Monken
RBs: Derrick Henry, Gus Edwards, Keaton Mitchell, Justice Hill
WRs: Zay Flowers, DeAndre Hopkins, Odell Beckham Jr., Nelson Agholor, Rashod Bateman, Tylan Wallace
TEs: Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely, Charlie Kolar
OL:
Ronnie Stanley | John Simpson | Tyler Linderbaum | Kevin Zeitler | Morgan Moses
Ronnie Stanley | Patrick Mekari | Tyler Linderbaum | Daniel Faalele | Roger Rosengarten
Ronnie Stanley | Andrew Vorhees | Tyler Linderbaum | Daniel Faalele | Roger Rosengarten

Chargers
OCs: Kellen Moore, Greg Roman
RBs: JK Dobbins, Austin Ekeler, Omarion Hampton, Kimani Vidal, Gus Edwards, Joshua Kelley, Jarret Patterson, Isaiah Spiller, Hassan Haskins
WRs: Ladd McConkey, Keenan Allen, Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnston, Tre Harris, Mike Williams, Derius Davis, Alex Erickson, Jalen Guyton, Simi Fehoko, Jalen Reagor
TEs: Gerald Everett, Will Dissly, Oronde Gadsden II, Donald Parham, Stone Smartt, Tyler Conklin
OL:
Rashawn Slater | Zion Johnson | Will Clapp | Jamaree Salyer | Trey Pipkins
Rashawn Slater | Zion Johnson | Bradley Bozeman | Trey Pipkins | Joe Alt
Bobby Hart | Zion Johnson | Bradley Bozeman | Mekhi Becton | Trey Pipkins

Broncos
OCs: Joe Lombardi (Sean Payton)
RBs: Javonte Williams, JK Dobbins, RJ Harvey, Jaleel McLaughlin, Samaje Perine, Audric Estime, Tyler Badie
WRs: Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Marvin Mims, Troy Franklin, Pat Bryant, Lil’Jordan Humphrey, Brandon Johnson, Devaughn Vele, Josh Reynolds
TEs: Evan Engram, Adam Trautman, Lucas Krull, Nate Adkins,
OL:
Garett Bolles | Ben Powers | Lloyd Cushenberry | Quinn Meinerz | Mike McGlinchey
Garett Bolles | Ben Powers | Luke Wattenberg | Quinn Meinerz | Mike McGlinchey
Garett Bolles | Alex Palczewski | Luke Wattenberg | Quinn Meinerz | Mike McGlinchey

Jaguars
OCs: Press Taylor, Grant Udinski (Liam Coen)
RBs: Travis Etienne, Bhayshul Tuten, Tank Bigsby, D’Ernest Johnson, LeQuint Allen
WRs: Brian Thomas, Parker Washington, Jakobi Meyers, Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk, Travis Hunter, Gabe Davis, Dyami Brown, Tim Patrick, Zay Jones, Jamal Agnew
TEs: Evan Engram, Brenton Strange, Luke Farrell, Johnny Mundt, Hunter Long
OL:
Cam Robinson | Tyler Shatley | Luke Fortner | Brandon Scherff | Anton Harrison
Walker Little | Ezra Cleveland | Mitch Morse | Brandon Scherff | Anton Harrison
Cole Van Lanen | Ezra Cleveland | Robert Hainsey | Patrick Mekari | Aton Harrison

Colts
OCs: Jim Bob Cooter (Shane Steichen)
RBs: Jonathan Taylor, Zack Moss, Trey Sermon, Tyler Goodson
WRs: Michael Pittman Jr., Josh Downs, Alec Pierce, Adonai Mitchell, Ashton Dulin
TEs: Tyler Warren, Kylen Granson, Will Mallory, Mo Alie-Cox, Andrew Ogletree
OL:
Bernhard Raimann | Quenton Nelson | Ryan Kelly | Will Fries | Braden Smith
Bernhard Raimann | Quenton Nelson | Ryan Kelly | Dalton Tucker | Braden Smith
Bernhard Raimann | Quenton Nelson | Tanor Bortolini | Matt Goncalves | Braden Smith

Steelers
OCs: Matt Canada, Eddie Faulkner, Arthur Smith
RBs: Jaylen Warren, Najee Harris, Kenneth Gainwell, Cordarrelle Patterson
WRs: George Pickens, DK Metcalf, Calvin Austin III, Diontae Johnson, Roman Wilson, Adam Thielen, Allen Robinson, Van Jefferson, Mike Williams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling
TEs: Pat Friermuth, Darnell Washington, Connor Heyward
OL:
Dan Moore | Isaac Seumalo | Mason Cole | James Daniels | Broderick Jones
Dan Moore | Isaac Seumalo | Zach Frazier | Mason McCormick | Broderick Jones
Broderick Jones | Isaac Seumalo | Zach Frazier | Mason McCormick | Troy Fautanu

Patriots
OCs: Bill O’Brien, Alex Van Pelt, Josh McDaniels
RBs: Rhamondre Stevenson, TreVeyon Henderson, Ezekiel Elliott, Antonio Gibson, Terrell Jennings
WRs: Stefon Diggs, DeMario Douglas, Kayshon Boutte, Kendrick Bourne, Mack Hollins, Kyle Williams, DeVante Parker, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Jalen Reagor
TEs: Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, Mike Gesicki, Pharaoh Brown
OL:
Trent Brown | Cole Strange | David Andrews | Sidy Sow | Michael Onwenu
Vederian Lowe | Michael Jordan | Ben Brown | Michael Onwenu | Demontrey Jacobs
Will Campbell | Jared Wilson | Garrett Bradbury | Michael Onwenu | Morgan Moses

 

I’m going to go out on a limb and say CJ was in a simple/simpler offense his rookie year. I would assume each year after, as one would assume he would grow, his offense and its complexity has grown. I think the problem is the more he has to “think”, the less effective he is.

I don’t know how you simplify things for him but to me that’s what he needs. If that’s not what is going to happen, you need a new QB.

 

Look at the 2023 OL for the Pats... Cole Strange is a UFA.... :thinking emoji:

We had 3 of those players on our roster this year

 

Bernard:

 

This just solidified
I don’t want to see him as a Houston Texan ever again and I don’t give a damn what excuses anybody tries to make for him