Lmao man how many times do I have to repeat this? KD was a superstar and now he isn't. He is aging. When human beings age they get worse at sports and eventually retire. He was a superstar for like 10-12 years, but now he is near the end of his career where he is not at that level anymore. How many times do I have to say this?
He's talking about superstars. I consider current KD and sengun to be star players. To me, a star is someone who's capable of making an allstar team (so basically a top 30ish guy). I absolutely do not consider kd or sengun to be superstars, those are guys who are legitimate MVP candidates (jokic, shai, giannis, luka, and maybe on the fringe wemby, that's the list). There's a big difference between having a star like sengun and a superstar like jokic. With jokic, we're a 68ish win team and title favorites.
He's not. I don't think Harden is a superstar anymore either. I personally believe if Harden is your best player you are not a contending team.
Your list of catchall stats has him no 7. You literally said thats what you look at because KD's stats at mind blowing efficiency is too pedestrian.
He did not say harden is a superstar, and the #7 player (harden is obviously nowhere close to being the 7th best player) is not ever gonna be a superstar
His list referenced Harden as the top 7 player. He said you could win with Harden as your best guy as a hypothetical.
You literally said Rockets just have 1 guy thats in the top 20 why they arent contenders now its not your list?
You're asking me why I posted it at all if I don't agree with every single player's position in the entire 1-100 list? That's a serious question?
You said the Rockets arent contenders they dont even have a guy in the top 20 besides Sengun. Doesnt that mean you generally agree with the list?
Generally speaking I think it's a decent list. I think it's pretty good, not great, and certainly not perfect. I think Harden is way too high. I also don't like how heavily the list weighs minutes played, because there are a lot of players who haven't played many games that are way too low on the list, and that also inflates the guys who have played a ton of minutes. But it's a decent baseline for conversation, and I'm also not aware of a better one out there.
Based on this quote seemed like you were praising the list and think it's the best list not just a "decent" list. Who else do you not agree on this list? if we take them out Sengun and KD will rise up on the list.
How do you know this? He never had a decent team after GSW remember you are the guy who said superstars can be on bad teams. if KD has a great team he can still win a ring so why is he not a superstar under your definition?
because he's old as dirt and you can look at any metric that exists and he's a shell of what he used to be. Do you not believe players age and regress? That's such a weird stance.
He can regress however why is he not a superstar anymore just because he regressed? Steph Curry is just a shell of his former self too he is still a superstar. https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201142 Looking at his advanced splits his nos are still very similar to the ones in his 2018-2019 season
What does that mean? He's not a superstar because he is WAY worse than he used to be. Curry also is not a superstar anymore, it's why the warriors are irrelevant these days.
I don't think we're getting anywhere and this has gotten really adversarial so I'm done posting in this thread. I'll answer your questions but then that's it from me. 1) I was not praising the list as being infallible, I was trying to explain what it is. I know most people don't follow Andy Bailey on twitter, and probably aren't aware of BPM/EPM/DARKO/LEBRON/whatever else he uses in there. So all I was doing was trying to give context as to where it came from, and what exactly it is. That's all that was meant to be, an explanation so you knew what the list was. It wasn't praise. 2) I'm not exactly sure who else I disagree with on the list because I haven't made my own list. Just at a quick glance I think Jamal Murray is way too high, Harden is too high, Reaves is too high, and Jimmy Butler is too high. I think Anthony Edwards is too low, Giannis is way too low, Wemby is too low, Steph is probably too low, and Kawhi is too low. But for Kawhi specifically, its weighted by minutes played, so thats why he's not higher on the list. Same is true for Giannis. 3) I don't "know" that KD isn't at that level anymore, it's just something I see, it's based on my opinion and evaluation as a fan. I watch a lot of basketball. I've had NBA league pass for the past 10 years and I watch a ton of games every year. I watched KD for a long time and my personal evaluation of his skill level and impact is that he's dropped off considerably. He is still a very good player, and he has certain nights where he turns back the clock and looks like prime KD. But overall I think his impact is not there from where it used to be. Again, just based on my personal opinion. Although if you are interested in any advanced stats, you can go look at those too, and those have all dropped off as well. Have a great day and happy new year.
