Where you here when we had Ryno? They wanted him to shoot 4 feet behind the 3 point line with a defender on him. He had the most forced hate I have ever seen. Jabari passes up a lot of open shot and no one bats an eye.
JSJ's 3 pt% has generally risen as the season has gone on. He's hitting 44% over the last 8 games. Before those 8 games, he was a slightly below average 3 point shooter. JSJ being really valuable to me is heavily dependent on his 3s falling(I don't see him as a great defender that some do or that I expected based on his college play). I'm really hoping he settles into being an above 40% 3pt shooter. If he settles into being a 38% shooter, there will be periods in which he's nailing his 3s that the JSJ fans will post like peacock, but also be periods in which he's a below average 3 pt shooter that the JSJ detractors will peacock about.
credit to Jabari he's played very well the past couple of games. i'm really starting to belive he can be a poor man's durant and maybe get into that Khris Middleton type of 3rd Banana on a championship contending team in a couple of years. a hyper efficient 20 ppg could be his ceiling which would be very, very good.
Every shooter has bad shooting games and his detractors would "peacock" when that happens. Reed is shooting 42% for the season but still has a game like last night's when he shot 1-5. So don't think 38% and 40% would make much difference in terms of perception. Jabari is not an elite defender. But he is a fairly versatile defender and is quite valuable on defense even if he is not hitting his shots. His DRtg is slightly better than the Rockets DRtg. While I don't trust individual ORtg/DRtg, it at least shows that he playing starter minutes contributes to a pretty good defense. His rebounding numbers are lower than I'd like. That's kind of puzzling to me because my eye test seems to tell me that he is a good rebounder.
nah playing 34-35 min a game and averaging 6 boards shows he’s just not a good at rebounding. He takes many plays off.
Rebounding doesn't surprise me, because of our team rebounding numbers. Amen, Sengun, Jabari, Adams, Tari all hit the boards hard on both ends of the court. We would have even better numbers on def rebounding without the stupid 2 bigs lineup that we played so much of early. Of course, offensive rebounds would be less. Jabari is a good rebounder on a good rebounding team.
For most of his career, he's been a below average shooter. For this season, he was below average for most of the season in season 3 point percentage with right now being the high mark. JSJ has not been at 38% long. Improvement is not guaranteed. I'm very happy (though cautious) with JSJ's Improvement this season. Whether 38% or 40% is a perceived differently or not, I can't say. Is it a big difference, yes it is. 38% is good for threes as it forces defenses to defend it to keep it at 38%, but 38% is still a slightly below average TS% while 40% while defended provides spacing as well as a well above average TS%. Value is not always linear and the mid 30s to 40% in 3 point percentage (for mid and high volume three point shooters) is an area of exterme non-linear change in value. Caveat: This post is based on JSJ's quick release. Slower releases at 38% don't provide as much spacing as JSJ.
It’s KD. Took his old defensive assignment. Jabari’s first 3 years he was on opponents weakest a lot and more often in rebounding and help position. Now he’s taking some more of Jalen and Dillon’s assignments and more involved in the perimeter action.
Rebounding numbers depend strictly on who he’s guarding - a lot of times he’s not in the paint - both on O and D
I would imagine he should be able to get to 40% with his shooting form/mechanics. He’s got one of the nicer looking shots in the league especially for a guy his size. What does strike me a little odd though is that his arch on it is sometimes flatter than I’d like but then I’ve also seen him shoot it with a really nice arch (especially if a defender is running out there on the baseline I’ve seen him really get it up there quite high and those seem to drop for him more often. Would like him to increase that arch a bit more on that shot that’s really my only point of improvement on the shot for him. Maybe as he gets stronger that will improve. But if I ever met him in person and was just shooting ****, I’d definitely ask that question.
I’ve been around for a long time, since the site was created. I watch almost every game when possible but haven’t posted much historically since Internet forums tend to get a little too negative for my liking lol. I’m really excited about our current young team and I think this team has nice immediate and long term potential and this is probably the most excited I’ve been about the team since the Hakeem years. Teams this young typically take at least a few years to get to true contention so it’s a little puzzling to see folks give up on some of our young players so early. Especially bigs, they usually take longer to mature and develop anyway. I could easily see us winning a championship eventually with a starting lineup of Reed, Amen, Tari, Bari, Sengun…
Someone above said it best, to some people a player is either a star or terrible no in between. Bari is a ROLE player and a critically important one. His job is to hit open shots created by the gravity of our star players. He also has some versatility to be able to switch defensively, get boards, and weak side shot blocking. He’s not supposed to be our defensive stopper, especially on the perimeter. We have Amen, DFS, Tari, and Okogie for that role. Sorry he was drafted so high and likely will never be a star. There is still an outside chance if he gets more shots and works more on his handle of carving out a Rashard Lewis type career. For this team who already has 3 ball dominant players, he fits in perfectly. Stop complaining about what he doesn’t do and appreciate how well he does his role.
I have an agenda: winning championships Would you be open to apologizing to me if Jabari gets hunted in a playoff series? Why does it have to be a grand surprise when Shai, Luka, Ant, or Jamal Murray are treating Jabari like he’s rookie Josh Giddey in a playoff series? He’s a guy they can hunt down and cook and also a free hiding place for those guys. Go ahead, catch your breath. Just stand close to Jabari don’t leave him. We should already know that. Idk why we need to experience it first.
You guys are right. He plays with some elite rebounders. So his number would probably be better if he "competed" with lesser teammates. And because he normally parks outside the arc, his offensive board would not be as impressive. Still 6.7 rpg seems a bit low for a big guy like him. The reason my eye test shows better rebounding than his stats is that I see him in the mix of crashing the board on both ends most of the time. Sometimes he gets his hand on the ball keeping it alive and it ends up in his teammate's hands.
My "eye test" says Jabari's rebounding effort has been pretty good this year. I'm fine with him in this regard. Having Adams, Alpi and Amen (and Tari) on the floor to vacuum up so many rebounds is affecting his numbers. Prior to this year, Jabari's head wasn't right some nights (often because he was down on himself) and he didn't consistently attack the glass. IMO, the first 30 games of 2025 that doesn't seem to be a problem.
He was a below average shooter when looking at the entire nba. He was NEVER below average when taking into account age position and height.
It shouldn't be a surprise. Those players you mentioned abuse mostly every one they see. Except elite defensive wings like the Thompson twins, Brooks, Jalen Williams, OG, etc etc I don't know why people do that. If Jabari is guarding SGA it's because Tari or Amen switched (because OKC ran a screen so that they could switch) so that SGA could actually do what he wants because if they hadn't swapped there's a chance that possession that Amen would lock him TF up and he'd have to pass to someone else or he was going to have to hit a tough shot which he is of course capable of doing. If Bari is on him its an easy foul or two points for him. Now I'm not saying Jabari is going to lock down other good guards and wings, he's average in space, his main thing on defense his main strength on defense is the effort he gives and how willing he is to cover for others mistakes and switch etc etc, a good team defender, not so much a good man defender every night. But yeah, if he gets stuck on Ant or Luka or SGA he's supposed to get cooked.
Agree, we’ll see how it goes. I don’t like the strategy. Don’t think we can keep 3/5ths of our lineup out of harms way or have Amen disadvantaged and chasing from behind every play. I doubt they’ll double Sengun and KD off of Jabari and leave him open anyway limiting his offensive usefulness. I’d try and get 3 guys on the court I can live with taking that switch and drilling some preswitching to keep Sengun and KD out of it as much as possible. I think we have the resources to do it while maintaining most of the shooting and size.
I think JSJ is a good shooter and will probably hover around 35-38% for his career. While his shooting mechanics look good his 3 point shots are quite flat and don't have much arc. This is the limiting factor in his shot imo, his middies look smooth but his 3 pointers usually look very flat.
