We have posted stat after stat that debunks this and you keep spouting this non sense? The board is tired.
I mostly agree, but why does the OC 80% of the time on 1st and 2nd down call for a HB run up the middle? That's not on CJ. Kubiak's offense was also rather predictable, but he did vary it somewhat by hitting different parts of the DL. I definitely agree with those calling for more screens. And why not more Shaub-like naked bootlegs? CJ does very well off script and in motion. And I think that is because when in those situations, he doesn't have to think, he just reacts much like he did as a rookie.
CJ has full control over the offense, if he wants to pass more, he can pass more. In Kubiak's offense, the QB did not have that freedom so whatever got called is what would happen every down. In the current offense, the QB can change whatever they want if they see something that can be exploited.... but you have to be able to read defenses for that.
Yeah, I said I'm not saying you're wrong. Like I 100% think the OLine is not good. You can see with your own eyes that for big chunks of the last two seasons teams could just get to the QB whenever they want to. However, great QBs still look great behind bad OLines and with bad OCoordinators. They normally look not AS great and might complain, but this level of ineptitude is just really not possible with a great QB. It's really shocking how different he is now vs when he was a rookie.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but we don't really know to what extent CJ can actually change plays. Maybe he only has partial control and a run stays a run. Maybe CJ can only change it from a B gap to an A gap run, depending on what the defense is presenting. Nobody has said how much control he actually has now. But I do agree he often processes slowly. In my life I've known very smart people who can't make quick decisions and very dumb people who always react quickly. Though their quick reactions are usually the wrong ones...lol
Before the season everyone was saying he had total control over the offense, to change protections and the entire play if appropriate. Now maybe after his many poor performances they've walked that back, but i think the assumption should be that they weren't lying. I agree that there are smart people that do not process information quickly, but to be a star NFL QB, you need to be reasonably smart but most important is that you have to process information quickly. CJ seems to struggle with that, but it's no excuse, he simply has to learn to do better.
Before the season, he had never run this offense. He is still a Young QB. He doesn't have the experience older QBs have in different systems. There is a reason QBs drafted used to sit out a year or 2. The NFL is HARD. This is where EXPERIENCED coaching comes into play. CJ had to also deal with a porous OLine with virtually no run game. If Mixon were available, this offense would look totally different. A run game is a young QB's best friend.
I think the whole CJ question comes down to one's own personality. Some like me are more patient and hopeful, while others just want to move on. Neither side is right nor wrong. And arguing on this forum will never change any of the eventualities...only time will tell. I feel he can still be good because of his rookie year. Such flukes rarely happen in the real world. But still it does happen.
If Stroud doesn't miss 3 games and 3 quarters of the Denver game, His numbers are top 5. The way he shreds the Bills with their weak pressure. Missed a masterclass. You're looking at 3,800 yards& 23 TDs going into week 18, plus a Nico oopsies where he goes out of bounds, along with the Dalton called back TD. [25 TDs] that equals a 101 rating, 68 Qbr[62 currently] This is how Caserio will analyze Stroud's season. All this with no consistency in the run game, pass pro that goes into panic mode against the blitz and no Diggs catching every first down. The haters act like he is 27 and hasn't been able to get out of the wild card round. Greg Cossell said it best after the chargers game. " When they scheme it right, Stroud makes throws only a few can make. They just can't scheme it consistently."
Do they? We are a QB-obsessed collective, and thus, tend to - good and bad - give the QB way too much credit. But, generally, the good QBs are surrounded by smart offensive minds, good playmakers and/or a good OL. Take Mahomes. Look at how much he's regressed after losing Hill; with Kelce aging; with Reid essentially ignoring the running game. Fans are going to choose their sides, and whatever. I don't really care, For me, the reality is that the Texans have a mediocre offensive line; no game-breaking RBs; pedestrian TEs; and they chose to hire a first-time play caller to install a new offense. They have three rookies starting in what is reportedly a complicated system and a QB who missed, essentially, a month of practice and game time in the middle of his first season in that complicated offense. Against that backdrop, CJ Stroud has not been great. But I'm at a loss to know how much of that is because he forgot how to play QB and how much of it is the ridiculous environment the Texans created for him?
I don't know if his numbers would be top 5 - but we do have to stop pretending him missing essentially a month of not just games but practice and reps when he's in the first year of a supposedly complicated offense isn't a huge factor.
Mahomes individually still displays outstanding traits during the games. His numbers and his team regress because of all the factors you laid out. I believe I said I don't know which is the chicken and which is the egg. I'm not dismissing any of those factors. I think a positive is that it isn't like CJ has turned into a crap QB or turned into what Carr did at the end where he dumps off every throw.
Correct. Which is why I pushed back on your assertion that good QBs overcome bad surroundings... they really don't. Not consistently, anyway. For five seasons, Mahomes and that offense carried the Chiefs. But once the talent eroded and Reid didn't evolve... it took them developing a much better defense to remain at the top of the league. I've always tried to maintain patience with Caley - I have NO IDEA how good he is or will be. So my issue isn't with him, per se - but the Texans failing to hire an experienced OC and shopping in the bargain bin for offensive line help... to me, that's where this all starts. Those two decisions were colossal mistakes, and it turned this season into, essentially, an extended preseason. I still can't believe that was their plan. Completely indefensible.
Spot on, Why do some posters blame CJ's failures on everything but CJ. CJ throws an int and the OC should've called a different play, CJ fumbles and it's the OL's fault for not protecting CJ well enough. Thecant just admit that CJ's not playing at the level he was playing at his rookie year. SMH
qbs make mistakes when pressure gets in their face and bad things happen due to it. I don't care who you are. The usuals make it like it's only a Stroud problem and It's disingenuous. " Well they find a way to score 25pts a game weeehhh weehhh! " The offense is not far away from scoring 26 a game. Self inflicted penalties have pushed us out of scoring drives in a handful of games controllable penalties. The only differences I see from rookie Seven and Now The supporting cast efficiency for this season, which takes OL grades, was 14th. It's been 30th this year and last. And his deep ball accuracy went from 50% (8th). to 32% (25th) And that has to do with Defense adjusting. So they brought in a more dink dunk offense and he's done a solid job of getting away from hunting big plays all the time. It's not going to happen over night getting over that habit. There is a lot to learn and evolve. Glad he's with Houston.
Wrong! CJ does not have full control of the offense. He has to fillow what play is called by the OC, who controls the offense. He can not go off script and pass just because he feels its a better play. I think he's best when he's off script or when he's passing but apparently Caley doesn’t
