It 1000 percent is over the course of my lifetime. But it’s obviously nice (and a massive advantage) to have an all time great at QB.
McMahon at one point had a 25 game winning streak as Bears starting QB. That's prime case of a mid QB that's not good for everyone, but just right for that particular team But this thread is trying to say that you just "pluck in a McMahon" lower cost. Or that "Davis Mills is this team's McMahon". Its just hard to replicate that effect. Even Eli Manning got big time money for being average except postseason
Can get TO THE Super Bowl game with a lesser QB. There was a 4 year stretch that had Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, & Rex Grossman as starting QB's (on losing side) Adding, Super Bowls won by the LESSER QB in the matchup, past 20 years. I count: - 6 for sure - 3 neutrals (early Ben over Hasselbeck, sucky Ben over Warner. Stafford over Burrow) * 1 game with BOTH QB's mid (Flacco over Kaepernick) Still means it takes high level QB's to get even get to the SB. The Delhommes are fluke 1 year wonders, not yearly contenders. But it's not impossible with lesser QB.
The only recipe to get there consistently is having an all time great. Even guys like brees and Rodgers don’t get there much. It’s really just brady, mahomes, and Peyton that got there consistently as great qbs.
Peyton Manning didn't win his first playoff game until year 6. Drew Brees was awful in Year 3. He was still only OK in year 5 when San Diego had no interest in re-signing him. Brady was an incredibly good game manager in year 3. Rodgers was still a backup QB in year 3. Those are the last generation's 4 all-time QB's.
His defense and running game did. I'm not big on CJ anymore. I wouldn't call it that. It's very hard to find a QB. I just don't want to pay CJ. I hate his scumbag agent too. Is Stroud better than Eli? I don't think so
Hate to break it to you, but Stroud is not a franchise QB. He's average and doesn't excel or put you over the top like actual franchise QB's. They said Dak Prescott was a franchise QB... and he's certainly put up better numbers than Stroud over a longer time period. But since his massive contract, the Cowboys still haven't made the playoffs. It's not the requirement you think it is. Once you lock in Stroud to $60m/yr contract, you start losing the pieces that actually contribute to being a SB level team. Just today, Phillip Rivers almost led a Colts team to victory over the hottest team in the league. A guy my age, comes out of retirement, and somehow makes it work.
Today was yet another example. Granted, against a poor team, but his vision, ability to execute and natural leadership (none of which Stroud has) are tracking with Manning and Brady. It all comes so easily to him.
With the right system CJ could be a SB QB, but he is not a QB who can overcome the widespread offensive dysfunction common to the Texans. He can to a point, like one game in the playoffs, but go all the way is doubtful. I don't think he is a top five QB in the league, maybe not even a top ten. Certainly not a generational star. If I was running the franchise, I would not max him out. The money needs to go to better players around him. Of course, they will max him out, and the team will not be able to surround him with top tier talent.
This is just the reality we’re in. I don’t see how anyone can argue any different honestly. There is a chance CJ can take a leap still, he is young, but he’s not going to be a better athlete and if he doesn’t take a step in the mental aspects of the game I don’t see him getting to that top 5-10 range.
Like I said, I'm just glad that I've discovered that it doesn't take a franchise QB to win a championship, because at this moment the Texans have a championship level defense and they dont have a franchise level QB. I can take comfort in this.
Truth is that this is going to comedown to CJ's ability to learn and retain information. Also should the team you root for be willing to bet 60 mil/300 mil on a guy that's obviously had difficulty learning the offense, that someday a light will come on and he will be able to run this offense like Stafford does? I wouldn't make this bet, particularly because of who his agent is. I would treat this situation like Jerrah treated Parsons after DM got involved in those negotiations.
So who goes? Will Anderson will be maxed out with a similar contract to Garrett. Tytus Howard expires next year. CB is the only position in good shape. You have to go against conventional thought here of needing a maxed out QB to win, even if he isn't maxed out quality. It's not tools CJ is lacking, it's game feel, leadership and intelligence and that isn't something that magically appears. Even the late bloomers always had those traits early on.
Right now PFF has our OL ranked #23 in the league. Green Bay is the only team with a winning record with an OL with a worse rating than ours. In fact, every team except us and Green Bay with an OL ranked worse than #18 (Jacksonville) has a .500 record or worse. With that said, Joe Burrow is lighting it up in spite of a terrible OL.
So to be clear, you're saying that Rivers almost but not winning a home regular season game means that you don't need a franchise QB to win a Superbowl?
Wade Smith (former pro bowl o lineman for Texans) said all CJ has to do is be Trent Dilfer and the Texans can win the SB.
