dumb me had brown at 2 years of control. Yep, 3 years of brown is way beyond 1 of skubal, including for the dodgers.
That’s all fine and well, and the innings he provides have been way more valuable than most realize But **** him, don’t want him
I understand- but the Astros do want him back if they can get him at a certain number. While Framber isn’t Tom Seaver as a teammate or employee of his team - some of his issues are being over blown. Teams aren’t avoiding him because he crossed up his catcher or struggled the last two months. They are avoiding him because of how difficult he is when it comes to preparation and the amount of attention he requires… couple that with his age and teams don’t want to go to 5-6 years.
I want him back at the right number. If it is short-term for around $30M/yr, we should bring him back. If it is a 5-6 year deal with AAV around $25M, we should bring him back. If somebody wants to give him $200M, then that is great, I'll be happy for him and hope it isn't the freaking Dodgers, Yankees, Rangers, or Mariners (and honestly I can only envision the Angels or Mets making that move). How easily forget that he was arguably the most valuable player during our 2022 WS run. He was 3-0 and only gave up 4 ER across 4 starts, including 2-0 in the WS where he flat out dominated the Phillies. I will never quit loving the players that brought us rings.
$130M/4yrs or $150M/6yrs for Framber would be a very good deal for Houston considering the market. Hes one of the 10 most productive pitchers in the league over the last 3 years and should be in that same tier for another 2-3 years.
I guess my coaching background just gives me a different perspective I’ve been to the state basketball tournament with a team that was talented, but not one of the 15 most talented in the state. But those kids loved each other, they loved playing with and for each other. Go back and watch the 2017 Astros and that’s what you see. I’ve also had teams with WAY more talent that struggled to even get in the playoffs cause the whole mood showing up on a daily basis wasn’t good. I watched almost every game last year and didn’t see much love and enjoyment playing out The locker room matters And maybe you are right, maybe Dana and Joe want him back. But neither Dana nor Joe has seen a new season be more successful than the previous either
The Astros won a WS in 2022 and Valdez was a huge part of that. The 2022 team was better than the 2017 team. Also there were issues with guys on the 2017 team disliking each other. The clubhouse was far from perfect. I can’t predict the future - maybe Valdez gets hurt or has a mental breakdown. However he is an excellent pitcher that will go deep in games, pitch through pain and will benefit having three Gold Glove level fielders on the infield. He was also correct about his criticism of Astros positioning last year. So if the Astros are fortunate enough to have Valdez fall in their lap - they will likely do it.
Okay, but don’t expect the Astros to get a player as good to replace him. There are some good pitchers they are talking to and with teams about - but none are as good as Valdez. So if the Astros want to go from an 85-90 win team the last three years - you better count on exception health and a lot of internal improvement from young hitters and starting pitchers.
Framber this year is Bregman last year. Smoke because he's not signed but we all know he's not coming back.
He isn’t likely - but he is more likely than 6 months ago or a month ago. It depends on how badly they want him, they have a few ways to clear payroll.
I have no idea about WAR and excess value when evaluating trades, but dreaming about this stuff is fun. Pittsburgh has opened up their pocketbook for the first time in ages, so how do we get Skeens who has 3 more years before FA and came up with this highly unlikely scenario. Alvarez. Arrighetti, and Ullola or Pecko for Skeens. Pirates get 2 rotation worthy pitchers and a top 5 hitter with 3 years left. We get the best pitcher in baseball. Our rotation: Skeens, Brown, Burrows, Javier, Blubaugh or whoever. We lose our best hitter, but we also free up salary to address LF and backup catcher. We potentially have a much longer lineup with plenty of power. Solve the Altuve and Paredes issues. We could have LH/RH platoon in LF/CF. Against RH Pena SS Paredes 2b Altuve DH Correa 3b Diaz/Carratini C Walker 1b Cole CF Smith RF Sanchez LF Against LH Pena SS Paredes 2b Altuve DH Correa 3b Diaz/Carratini C Walker 1b Smith RF New Lf Myers CF
One of the main reasons the Pirates are spending money is because they have Skenes. They’re not trading him. And for Houston trading their only elite hitter to add an elite pitcher really makes no sense for Houston. But in the event Skenes actually was available I don’t think that package would be enough even if Houston ate Yordan’s entire contract. Maybe Yordan, Paredes, and Javier for Skenes with Houston eating 80% of Javier’s and Yordan’s contract.
thanks i knew it was unrealistic, but didnt kno it would take that much. i know Im a rank amateur at baseball trades. thanks for responding. Im wondering if Pittsburg might be opening up the pocketbook in anticipation of the new cba that will probably require a salary floor?
Very possible, the A’s are doing the same thing and the Marlins are also poised to add payroll. If we see the Rays give out a big contract then we will really know something is up.
He probably has a very small amount of surplus value. Houston could get a good return for him but they’d need to eat a significant amount of money. Every team trying to win could use Hader. Interest in him would be robust. But Crane loves Hader so he’s not getting traded.
