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The state of the republican party

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  1. deb4rockets

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    He's the most vindictive, dividing, hate fueled President in my lifetime. He wants full power to rule as an Authoritarian/Dictator so damn bad.
     
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    they actually stood up to demented gramps

    they will need extra security moving forward
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    As near as I can tell, him and Andrew Jackson are probably #'s 1 & 2 for most destructive ever. Trump is the shitty divisive personality of Andrew Jackson packaged with the incompetence and corruption of Warren G Harding. (Harding, though, was apparently a really nice guy with very little of Trump's runaway ego).
     
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    Indiana Republicans withstood immense pressure from President Donald Trump, ignoring anonymous threats on their lives as they defeated his plan to redraw the state’s congressional map and dealt him one of his most significant political setbacks since his return to the White House.

    The GOP-controlled state Senate on Thursday voted down 31 to 19 the map that would have gerrymandered two more safe red seats, imperiling the party’s chances at holding control of Congress next November.

    The failed vote is the culmination of a brass-knuckled, four-month pressure campaign from the White House on recalcitrant Indiana Republicans that included private meetings and public shaming from Trump, multiple visits to the Hoosier State from Vice President JD Vance, whip calls from Speaker Mike Johnson and veiled threats of withheld federal funds. The hesitant local lawmakers held out in spite of pipe bomb threats, unsolicited pizza deliveries to their personal addresses and swattings of their homes.


    “The forces that define (the) vitriolic political affairs in places outside of Indiana have been gradually and now very blatantly infiltrat(ing) the political affairs in Indiana,” Indiana state Sen. Greg Goode, a Republican, said in his floor speech before voting against the measure. “Misinformation. Cruel social media posts over the top pressure from within the state house and outside, threats of primaries, threats of violence, acts of violence. Friends, we’re better than this.”

    Speaking Thursday night from the Oval Office, Trump lambasted Bray, who oversaw the defeat of the remapping push.

    “Bray, whatever his name is,” Trump said, threatening to “certainly support anybody that wants to go against him,” and reasoning that he had “done a tremendous disservice.”

    “It’s funny ‘cause I won Indiana all three times by a landslide, and I wasn’t working on it very hard,” Trump said, despite his team’s well documented involvement in the matter.

    Top MAGA allies sounded far more concerned.

    “We have a huge problem,” said former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, who simulcasted The War Room show live from a suburban Indianapolis hotel to boost support for redistricting. “People have to realize that we only have a couple opportunities. We’ve got a net five to 10 seats. If we don’t get a net 10 pickup in the redistricting wars, it’s going to be enormously hard, if not impossible, to hold the House.”

    Democrats need only net three House seats next year in order to seize control of Congress’ lower chamber, and their party already neutralized a five-seat advantage Texas Republicans gave themselves by similarly redrawing California’s congressional lines.

    Chris LaCivita, Trump’s 2024 campaign manager and adviser to Fair Maps Indiana, a dark money group that blitzed the state with ads in recent weeks, threatened retribution to Senate Republicans who voted against the bill.

    “You have a state full of MAGA Republicans run by Republican MAGA haters,” LaCivita said in a pre-vote interview, mentioning Bray, former Gov. Mitch Daniels and Vice President Mike Pence. “If you don’t defend a political movement from those that stand in the way — then it’s not a movement at all — a handful of politicians in Indiana will now know what standing in the way really means.”

    Indiana officials whispered for weeks about fears that rejecting redistricting could result in a loss of federal funding—a fear that Heritage Action, the political arm of the Heritage Foundation, made explicit in an X post Thursday. “President Trump has made it clear to Indiana leaders: if the Indiana Senate fails to pass the map, all federal funding will be stripped from the state,” it read. “Roads will not be paved. Guard bases will close. Major projects will stop. These are the stakes and every NO vote will be to blame.”
     
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    Two senior White House officials told POLITICO that Trump’s team had not spoken with Heritage Action, and that Trump had not made such threats.

    Following the vote, Bray sought told reporters the state was not in danger. “I’ve had lots of conversations with folks in Washington, D.C.,” he said, when asked about those threats. “Indiana will continue to function.”

    The failed vote saves the seats of two sitting members, Democratic Reps. André Carson and Frank Mrvan, whose districts in deep blue Indianapolis and purplish Northwest Indiana had been carved up to become heavily Republican under the proposed map.

    Informed by reporters about Indiana Senate Republicans rejecting Trump’s redistricting push, Speaker Mike Johnson said that’s “disappointing to me, adding, “but I’m very, very bullish on the midterms.”

    Johnson reversed his stance on getting involved in redistricting by whipping votes with calls to Indiana lawmakers in recent days.

    “I’ve got to deal with whatever matters are finally presented in each state, and we’re going to win. We’ve got a better record to run on.” Johnson predicted earlier this week the map would pass.

    The monthlong debate about whether to redraw maps exposed deep fissures within the party between the MAGA base and the more traditionalist, pre-Trumpian wings of the party. It also gained more attention nationally in the wake of the death of Charlie Kirk, who threatened primaries for Hoosier Republican elected officials who opposed it in the final weeks of his life.

    Turning Point Action, the organization founded by Kirk, has promised to work with other Trump-aligned super PACs to spend tens of millions of dollars to primary the resistant Republicans who voted no. But the group could only turn out a couple hundred protestors recently ahead of this week’s vote.

    Several states closely watched Indiana for signs of where the redistricting arms race would turn next, but none more so than neighboring Illinois. The state’s Democratic governor, JB Pritzker, praised Indiana lawmakers with a statement Thursday that read, “Our neighbors in Indiana have stood up to Trump’s threats and political pressure, instead choosing to do what’s right for their constituents and our democracy. Illinois will remain vigilant against his map rigging — our efforts to respond and stop his campaign are being heard.”

    Maryland members of Congress, speaking before Indiana’s vote, said their state was likely to press on regardless of Indiana’s outcome. State Senate President Bill Ferguson has opposed redistricting, but other state officials have vowed to push the issue, and the state’s congressional delegation has largely been supportive too.

    “I’m for us doing redistricting,” said Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.). “No matter what.”

    “That’s really up to the legislature and the governor, but I think that we cannot have one hand tied behind our back, and so all options are open in this,” said Rep. April McClain Delaney (D-Md.), who represents the swingiest Democratic controlled-district in the state.
     
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    The GOP now turns to Florida, where Republicans stand to make significant gains that are complicated by tension between Gov. Ron DeSantis and House Republican leaders, as well some of the nation’s strictest anti-gerrymandeering standards.

    DeSantis and the state Senate president want to delay action until later next year to await the outcome of a Louisiana gerrymandering case that’s before the U.S. Supreme Court. But House Speaker Daniel Perez is adamant that the Legislature take action during its upcoming session that starts in January.

    Perez told POLITICO this week that he was “not being pushed by outside forces” to consider redistricting and that he had not talked to the White House directly or indirectly. Instead he said Florida should act because of a state Supreme Court ruling last summer that upheld the state’s current congressional map.

    “We don’t have a map, we haven’t started to draw a map, but it doesn’t mean we can’t start to have the conversation,” Perez said.

    Some Republicans contend Florida could flip three to five seats to the GOP with a new map, but Democrats contend any map put forward now would violate the state’s constitutional ban on drawing new districts for partisan gain.

    Across the country, six states have new maps for the midterms. The biggest gains for both parties — five blue leaning seats in California and five red leaning seats Texas — are likely to cancel each other out.

    In Ohio, a bipartisan commission agreed to a map that could net the GOP two new House seats, and North Carolina and Missouri drew one red leaning seat each. And in Utah, a court ruling has given Democrats a solid blue seat in Salt Lake City. There are still ongoing legal challenges in a handful of those states.

    Taken together, Republicans are currently ahead by five seats. As the playing field continues to change, it remains unclear exactly which party will come out ahead before the midterms. Both parties expect the redraws to ultimately favor the GOP, but Democrats have so far avoided a worst-case scenario and expect to only be behind by a handful of seats.

    The Indiana vote, though, marks a significant defeat for the White House political operation.

    Trump and political adviser James Blair were whipping senators through the week.

    The debate over whether to redistrict showed cleavages between MAGA and a more traditional GOP that could be exposed again in 2028, when Trump is constitutionally barred from seeking a third term.

    “The sort of old school, deeply entrenched political forces in Indiana are Never Trumpers led by Mitch Daniels,” said a Republican familiar with the president’s thinking and granted anonymity to be candid about the vote. “It’s been kind of a brewing situation there.”

    Daniels, who Trump derided on Truth Social as a “Failed Senate Candidate,” said the vote was an act of “principled courageous leadership.” Daniels, who was never a Senate candidate, decided not to run, but told POLITICO he “would have won.” He came out as an early opponent of redistricting, calling it “wrong.”

    He said the vote demonstrated “a strong conviction in our state, and in our state, character, commitment to fair play and rejection of being bullied.”
     
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    Over the past year, the rate of increase averaged $6.12 billion per day, $255.04 million per hour, $4.25 million per minute, or $70,843.42 per second.

    Let that sink in.
     
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  9. edwardc

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    Oh it has it's those that don't understand what he has done that are going to FAFO.
     
  10. Nook

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    I would throw some Andrew Johnson in there - Trump is very similar to Andrew Johnson in that he goes out of his way to go around the checks and balances in out government. Johnson also embraced division in a way few have. Trump is very similar to Andrew Jackson, but he has never been as popular as Andrew Jackson.

    Trump is the best campaigner I have seen in my lifetime though.
     
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    Edwardc,
    I was truly disappointed that you did not find a good Trump Jabba the Hutt pic before me. Thanks to you I had to:
    Google Trump Jabba the Hutt
    click on images
    Copy photo
    come back here
    Paste said image.
    Take a nap

    It's a lot
     
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  12. edwardc

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    Oh my God i'm rolling over here laughing.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Thank you.
    Man of few words but priceless images.
    you never disappoint.
    Well except for earlier.
    I will consider it a one off
     
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    The Biden budget's fiscal year concluded in September. The Trump budget only began on October 1st. Your information is inaccurate and you're source is a liar.
     
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    Glad i could help.
     
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    It was Biden's budget until October 1st. Your outrage should be directed at the Biden Administration.
     
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    Maybe you'll like this one better.

    WASHINGTON, DC – Today, the Joint Economic Committee released the following update on the national debt during fiscal year 2025 following the Daily Treasury Statement released by the U.S. Treasury.

    Key background:

    • Total debt increased by $2.17 trillion to $37.64 trillion in FY2025:
      • Debt held by the public increased by $1.97 trillion to $30.28 trillion.
      • Intragovernmental debt increased by $202.4 billion to $7.36 trillion.
    • On average, total debt increased $5.95 billion per day, $248 million per hour, $4.13 million per minute, or $68,902 per second.
    As of the end of FY2025, total public debt is equal to 122.6 percent of GDP and debt held by the public equal to 115.5 percent of GDP, based on Q3 2025 GDP projections in CBO’s September 2025 economic outlook.
     
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    Your source, Alex Cole, also posted this. What do you make of it?

     
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    In other words, you take no responsibility for spreading lies.

    Typical Godless, lying, leftist, atheist, TRASH.
     
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    No dumbass your cult heros tax cut scam added 5 trillion to the debt while being the biggest wealth transfer from poor to rich in our lifetime. You cultists don't get to pretend to care about the debt

    "Godless" lol you MAGA Christians worship a guy who had cheated on his pregnant wife with a p*rn star. The only garbage is YOU cultists
     
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