China will destroy US military in fight over Taiwan, top secret document warns

If you think Trump is going to protect Taiwan or anyone else then youre not reading the room. The US has given up on the eastern hemisphere and has conceded the east to Trump. Were literally selling out our national security to make a quick dollar.

Unchecked capitalism is the downfall

 

Japan, not Taiwan, has been US’s key bulwark against Chinese power in the western Pacific

 

My WAG is that, if the US wanted to, they could sink the entire Chinese fleet in the Taiwan Strait. What would China's next move be? Tell their troops with 40 lb backpacks to go for a 110 mile swim?

The smart move for China is to give Trump a Trump Beijing Tower and Trump might even lend China some US troops to assist the invasion.

 

This sounds like when we were told Russia was always beating the US during the cold war. This is just another scare piece to get more money routed to defense contractors. Probably straight from an Anduril media package. And what's with all these Tolkein company names from the tech bros? Does Thiel partly own this one too?

Edit: Of course he does. This guy is a super villian. He's got the massive spying company (Palantir) and the killer drone company. (Anduril) He should just legal change his name to Sauron at this point.

Peter Thiel is a major investor through his firm, Founders Fund. Founders Fund has been a lead investor in Anduril since its inception and has participated in every funding round, with Thiel's venture capital firm being the largest single investor in the company.

 

I think China is a lot more competent at large scale organization than Russia. But they havent faught a war since 1979 I think? Also people were scaremongering about Russia's hypersonic missles until Patriots started shooting them down. That may say more about Russian bullshit, but China has some issues too, like missiles filled with water, not rocket fuel.

IMO sinking an American carrier would be a counterproductive move. Like Pearl Harbor, Americans don't know what it means to lose and the goto response would be rage, patriotism, and righteous indignation. A single victory, even a decisive one, won't leave America feeling defeated, they'll just get pissed off.

The way to defeat America in war is to slow everything down and wait for Americans to get bored. The other option would be to actually bring war to the continental US to make Americans understand loss, but that would be quixotic for China as the US would be trying to do the same to mainland China.

At least that's how I see it. I think sinkinking an American carrier or two would be a trap - a rally-around-the-flag moment that would motivate America, not make them see defeat. And as unhinged as the administration is, who knows where that might end. I could seriously see Trump being peer-pressured by tough talking talking heads on Fox and Friends into something really foolish like nukeing China.

 

You know that Trump has been itching to push that red button. Trump is told everyday that, "no, today is not the day you get to blow something up with a nuke".

 

Nah, not at all.

 

Isn't it good that China takes Taiwan in order to eliminate capitalism?

 

china has not been in a war since the civil war between the CCP and the US-backed KMT, which ended in 1949,
the defeated KMT, with the help of the US, fled to China's island province, Taiwan.


China has also had border skirmishes w its neighbors; VietNam in 1979 and India in 2020.

 

water is wet

 

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Yeah - no.

 

In a convention war China would kick our ass off their coast and we would kick their ass on the Canadian or Mexican border. In a nuclear war both and everyone else would lose. It is moronic to think of war to keep China from reuniting with their old province of Taiwan. Almost as moronic to waste a few trillion on another Cold War with China which won't change who would win. This ain't the old Soviet Union which had a hard time keeping up with the USA back in the day.

 

You are nothing if not predictable, Mr. Duranty

 

He details a lot of ways that China could seriously effect the Mainland USA without missiles, planes, tanks or soldiers. I'm not sure they would be enough to make average Americans feel like they've been defeated, but I'm not confident either way and as they are things that weren't immediately obvious to me, I really haven't thought them fully through.

 

That was far more than a "border skirmish".

 

The Chinese have countless spies in the U.S. to help them keep pace with our technology. Sadly, many government officials and corrupt politicians are on the Chinese payroll.

 

China would be the United States largest adversary post fall of the USSR. Having said that, they are not on par with the USSR as an adversary.

With that in mind, the USA - for all of its military spending, has not operated nor developed a culture of "war" of that magnitude since the fall of the USA.

The USA has largely operated more of an economic giant, and as a result a lot of the infrastructure inside the USA is certainly vulnerable to attacks from the PRC, and the USA has largely not shut down any potential intrusion by Chinese spies that work in positions to make the USA infrastructure vulnerable.

So, the PRC could impact the US grid system, banking system etc. without a lot of issues. The US also right now is not ready for the degree of manufacturing it would need for a protracted war of the type being discussed. However, the USA IS in a position to be able to set up the type of manufacturing to rival China in a relatively short period of time.

The idea that the USA wouldn't feel any impact of a war with China is silly, we certainly would - however, the USA is for many other reasons far more likely to win any potential war with China.

 

Not in a million years. You should travel to China and see what the locals think of Taiwan. They don't give a **** if a Taiwan war takes 10+ years bcz they sincerely think Taiwan is a part of china. They have national unity and are willing to endure the pain needed to get what they want.

Look at what happened in this year. Trump raises tariffs and hurt the American consumer and had to backpedal within a few weeks cuz the stock market was crashing. War with china would mean a 30% drop in corporate earnings which would cause a 25-30% correction in the stock market.

War is less about who has what shiny weapons and more how long are you willing to fight (Afghanistan ukraine). This is why ukraine has been so successful